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  1. tabletop123, Sep 10, 2014

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    Well, I'm back from a One day trip to my Local casino. I came home with an EXCELLENT win, & hit the 4 Point Fire Bet Twice. The strange Part is that I employed a Toss that I VERY RARELY use. The ICE TONG Toss from stick right 1. Now, my regular Toss is an Underhand Forward Spinning "LOB" Toss. NO, I DO NOT Bowl my underhanded Toss down the Table with the Dice Tumbling end over end. I have better success lobbing my Underhand. It is what it is. On this particular trip my hands stayed "Sweaty", & I could not maintain an equal release from the palm of my hand so I had to switch Tosses. That's why when You practice DI'ng You should ALWAYS practice more than one Toss. Unfortunately, the table that you are Playing on may not be Receptive to your "Base Line" Toss. Now, I normally don't practice more than MAYBE 10 Ice Tong Tosses per Week. I have spent a CONSIDERABLE amount of time practicing the Ice tong toss during the initial stage of my DI journey. But it's not a "Base Line" toss for me. However, this particular outing it worked to Near perfection. So LETHAL was the toss, that at one point in time I fell into "Dead Punch", & started Successfully "Hopping" Numbers. Now, I have the same Problem at home with "Sweaty" Hands when I'm tossing on my 14 Footer, but I always Solve the problem with a Dry Towel, wipe, & Baby Powder. Since my PALM, & NOT the finger Tips Release the Dice with my underhand Toss, I only need to keep the Palm of my hand Slippery so that the dice can have a Uniform release. Unfortunately, I DID NOT bring a small towel or Baby Powder on this Particular trip so I was FORCED to switch tosses. Now, I am aware that You CANNOT put ANY foreign substances on the Dice at the casino. However, what I NORMALLY do is to keep Baby Powder & a Small dry Towel in my back pocket. You can simply dip your finger tips into your back pocket, rub it across your hands, & wipe the excess off with the Dry Towel(While at the Table). However, it may be Simpler to "Suit Up" in the Convenience of the Rest Room! LOL Another thing the Aspiring DI MUST learn is "Die Tracking" IN THE CASINO! It's EASIER to "Die Track" at Home Because MOST DI's use Two Different Colored Dice. Easier to track left/Right Die that Way. Think you have KEEN eyes? TRY left/Right Die tracking in the Casino WITH YOUR MONEY ON THE LINE!!! How you gonna "Adjust" Your Toss & Dice Sets if you Don't Know what Your Left/Right Dice are doing? I'm still working at Die Tracking in a Casino Environment. I'll be the first to tell you that it Aint easy!!! Now, Superrick says he can Left/Right Die track 100% of the time WITHOUT needing two different colored Dice. However, (I'm taking a Guess at this), He's Probably been Dice Influencing for 10 Yrs or more!!! So, it's probably Second nature to experienced shooters like superrick. This was my Second experience SUCCESSFULLY keeping up with Left/Right Die tracking in the Casino, & I"M TELLING YOU FIRST HAND, that when you Master THAT part of DI'ng it'll take you to the next level, beause you are Continuously making the Appropriate Adjustments Each & every Toss of the Dice. Making Dice Set Adjustments Per Toss. Sometimes, your Toss results won't need Adjustments because the results are as Expected. When they're not, You simply click the disobedient Die one click Forward, backwards, left, or right. Next time your Practicing, Give it a try. You just MIGHT like it!! Good luck at the Table!
     
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  2. The Comeback Kid, Sep 10, 2014

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    I used to do the bb-powder thing in the pocket. Damn!
    And to think, I thought I was the only crazy one here.

    Now a little back n' forth on the felt does the trick,
    and of course, the battery powered fan strapped to my forehead.
    That's it with the trade secrets.

    Bravo with the ice pick. It can be deadly when working.
    Far better use of your intuition is what saved ya, me thinks.
    Flexibility & adapting in the face of changing conditions.

    Perhaps we have the beginnings of a new...
    "World's Most Interesting Craps Player"
    "I don't always shoot sweaty, but when I do; I prefer the ice pick".

    Stay dry my friends
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  3. BigBen, Sep 10, 2014

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    Good Thread.

    Yup, dice tracking in "Live-Play" can be rough, but not impossible.
    It just takes some practice & getting used to.

    IMHO, you have to be reeeeeal careful with that baby-power stuff, because if they see it, I think that it can be construed as cheating.
    Why take that chance of getting banned?

    What I do while STRANGERS are shooting is, I either ask the Pit-Boss a for a cover for my chips (one of our regular haunts, has a nice clear plastic box/cover that I use), OR I simply take my chips with me except for my "Player Returning" Lammer (which I also gave them to our team, as well as some clear chip separators).
    Then I wash my hands thoroughly in the restroom.

    Now, while I'M shooting, I wipe my fingertips on my shirt to keep 'em dry.
    I think that running one's fingers on the Deck can actually make matters worse, because ya just never know what type of crud actually lurks on that Felt/Micro Fiber. LOL...
    But whatever works for YOU!

    OH, and I also ONLY touch the DICE with my shooting hand!
    The Chips, money, coffee-cups, water bottles, waitresses ;), etc., only get touched with my NON-Shooting hand. ;)
    Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... :D


    Segregation at its finest!

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  4. KokomoJoe4, Sep 10, 2014

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    tt123,

    you left out the most important part. What was the size of your win?

    Congrats - winning is much more interesting.
     
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  5. tabletop123, Sep 10, 2014

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    Well, I'm VERY careful to wipe ALL Powdery Looking Substance From My hands. all I want is that "Slippery" feeling of the Dice rolling off the Palm of my hands & then onto the Fingertips prior to hitting the Table. I do agree Big Ben, it IS WISER to "Suit Up" in the restroom. Better safe than sorry. Forum Members, Superrick is REALLY "On Point" with the "Die Tracking". I've Been at this DI'ng craft for almost 5yrs, & I NEVER thought of tracking each individual Die in a Casino atmosphere. It can REALLY tell you a lot about what Your dice are doing & HOW to correct any Toss flaws that you may be experiencing. It's really just trouble shooting each individual die on a Toss for Toss basis. If You have a Die that goes off axis, let's say 60-70% of the time, even though the die
     
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  6. tabletop123, Sep 10, 2014

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    Sorry about the interruption. Even though the Die is not behaving properly, it still is a Consistent quirk that can be exploited. Kokomo, the win was a little north of a Thousand. still have a lot of work to do with the Die tracking because it is something new to me. However, it does open up a whole new world to the DI'ng Because you're getting Feedback on each & every Toss & making the appropriate Die adjustments on a AS NEEDED basis. You know, a lot of The camps think that there is only one way to be successful at craps. that's simply NOT true. ANYTHING can & will happen in the short run. If you Truly want to win at this Game, You'd Better improve your Observational Skills. Why pick up a book if you don't Know how to read? It's no fun Only looking at the pictures & never grasping the Story Line. My next casino visit is planned for 9/14, & I cannot wait to attack the tables with my Newfound Observational skills. Until then, It's back to the Laboratory to engage in some more Die Tracking. Just think. All this good information from Superrick TOTALLY FREE!!! When I was growing up as a aspiring Pool Hustler, the old-Timers NEVER revealed their secrets, in fear that you'd use it against them & Decimate their bankroll. Well, Fast forward 40 yrs later, & I'm getting a WEALTH of INVALUABLE information Totally free from a Guy that has NO MONETARY INTEREST in If You fail or Succeed. It doesn't get any better than that. With some of the Discoveries that I've made by following the advice of superrick, I kind of feel like maybe I should Paypal him a few coins for the Good Info. LOL Roll on Guys/gals, but Most Importantly remember to "Keep those Dice Married".
     
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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 10, 2014

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    Wouldn't attaching the battery to the propeller on a beanie be more subtle? Come to think of it, though, maybe not. Having to explain why your hat took off in the middle of a hand could disrupt your rhythm.
     
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  8. DeMango, Sep 11, 2014

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    My eyes glaze over without paragraphs, please observe the last post of Big Ben. Question: How are you marking down the results of your casino tosses? Size of notebook, any headers??
     
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  9. BigBen, Sep 11, 2014

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    Hi DeMango,
    Not sure if your question was also meant for me, but I'll answer...

    I rarely actually TRACK my "Live" play (I find it just too distracting).
    However I DO closely watch the outcomes of each Die, with respect to my Set vs. each Die's end-result, and I make adjustments accordingly.

    We DO however, on occasion Track Rolls at some of our Private Table events, and during some of our "Table Takeovers".

    I keep track of my "Live" SESSIONS with this pad. I enter the Casino & Session $$$ information when I'm done.
    [​IMG]



    Here are those "Player Returning" & Clear Chip-Spacer Lammers, that I mentioned earlier...
    I keep that little bag in the Watch-Pocket of my jeans.
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. DeMango, Sep 11, 2014

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    Thanks Ben , TT123 was who I asked the question of. I track FF's and it is tough to track if you change sets. The biggest clue is DP vs PFH's. Another clue is on BDOA where it is essential to know are they same side or splitting. On axis % can be, can be important. I'm working on getting a better idea via Dice Tool as soon as I get my tablet and duck into a men's room after 100 rolls! There is no greater misery than knowing your sub 6 SRR could have been in excess of 8 with another set.:mad:
     
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  11. tabletop123, Sep 11, 2014

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    Sorry about the delay Demango. In the casino atmosphere the only thing I record is hand Length. The reason I do this is to have a good idea as to when to Regress my bets. Everything else I sort of make a mental note. It is so Very hard for me to keep up with the Die tracking since I've just started this during my last two visits. trust me, keeping up with left/right Die tracking, & making Die adjustments per Toss CERTAINLY keeps You Busy. However, I do record what particular toss/s that I am using per session. Once I become more adept with the Die Tracking, I'll start recording what particular numbers are being Tossed. It's amazing what a click of a Die can do for your toss results, without having to change your Dice set altogether. It's the simple things that I've overlooked my whole DI'ng Journey because I am self-Taught & have Never taken a Class. I've had a tremendous amount of success with my toss/s, so I KNOW I am doing things Correctly. I just NEVER knew how to make Adjustments WITHOUT changing my dice Set. NOW I KNOW!!!! One click, forward,backwards, left, or Right gets the Job done. It's your job as a DI to figure out WHICH click is Gonna put your dice Back on track!!! Most Good shooters say to focus ONLY on the Toss, but in my opinion it's just as important to focus on correcting your Die flaws on a toss to toss Basis. Sure, adjusting your Die per Toss is not infallible, but at least it keeps You cognizant of Your toss QUIRKS, & it allows ME to toss longer Hands. Longer hands equates to more $$$$, even if you are tossing a lot of trash. Just bet the Horn & the Field. So many ways to exploit these longer duration Hands! I'm also experimenting with LARGE 3 Rolls & Down strategy to "Jump Start" my casino sessions. Of Course a early PSO/S sets you back a little, but if successful early in the session, it allows you to stretch out a little & get Very aggressive. I normally do 2 Large Bets with Regression early into my sessions, & implement my Regular Betting strategy for the Duration of the session/s. I'm not a big fan of Regression Betting, but it works well if You do it in spurts. Well, I should say: That's the way it works for Me!!!
     
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