Wong on Dice

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  1. TDVegas, Oct 25, 2016

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    Yes, I am. :)

    Others will buy the toilet roll dispenser that gets mounted on your head.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Oct 25, 2016

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    All the sites and discussions dedicated to the great game of Monopoly. Can't find one single solitary discussion on dice control or influence to win. I can find hundreds of strategic plays....but not one discussing influencing the dice to land on a property.

    Imagine that?

    And..that's simply dropping two dice inches from a cardboard surface.

    Yet....

    Two dice launched 10 feet in the air, bouncing on felt, bouncing against rubberized pyramids?...fuck yeah, endless claims about controlling those outcomes. :rolleyes:

    Get real.
     
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  3. Dave G Ct, Oct 25, 2016

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    Are you wishing that DI is unreal?
     
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  4. TDVegas, Oct 25, 2016

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    Nah. Beyond skeptical is putting it mildly. The great thing about DI is that in all likelihood the "realness" of DI will never be proven or disproven. It remains in our own heads....

    Isn't this forum great?
    An unsolvable situation...

    Well, maybe not so good for those who need others to "just believe me";)
     
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  5. Dave G Ct, Oct 25, 2016

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    Well there are 2 schools of thought populated with your SRT' s preaching the one and only way.Then you have your alchemists ( DeMango) trying to turn lead into gold. Lol
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Oct 25, 2016

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    There are a lot of craps players that should buy a math book! :)
     
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  7. DeMango, Oct 25, 2016

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    There is a lot more than 2 schools (or coaches) of thought. Scoblete, Heavy, Little Joe, James Hall, Dice Coach, SuperRick and others. But in the end it becomes physical skills.

    Not an alchemist, but I do somethings you will not do;

    1) I think outside the box, you mine others thoughts. Not an original thought in your mind.

    2) Use a notebook as many others do to measure results on different tables. You just don't play at other tables. If you were a threat to those tables in CT, your ass would have been thrown out a long time ago.

    3) Computer interpretation of those results. Finding the best sets to snipe a point or a 7, or not to snipe a point. Somehow you think it is smart not to use a computer. Neanderthal is the word that comes to mind.
     
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  8. DeMango, Oct 25, 2016

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    Along that lines, if you do have a slim advantage, you should stick to low edge bets and reduce variance to a minimum.
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 25, 2016

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    I read somewhere, maybe here, that some role-playing gamers use biased dice to gain an advantage. Does that count as influence?
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Oct 25, 2016

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    In the navy, we played backgammon, although we often called it "Acey Duecy". We played for money, sometimes a lot of money.....dice influencing was prevalent! :)
     
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    when I reached puberty, I often practiced when I was alone in my room.
     
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  12. lone irish digit, Oct 25, 2016

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    Yes, but hairy palms and fingers are a detriment to becoming a DI and will probably cause an anomaly in your toss.
     
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  13. $nakeEye$, Oct 25, 2016

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    " Stanford Wong " authored a book entitled " Professional Black Jack " back in the late 70's -

    He also coined the phrase " Wonging it " which relates to playing a " moving / floating " Black Jack game in which one NEVER remains at a table for an extended period of time and only makes " opportune bets " then move on to another table -

    He is the inventor of the " Hi-Low " count strategy -

    He is also the inventor of an unplayable count strategy known as the " Wong Halves " which is a 3 level count system which requires a player to count in either " half numbers or decimals " -

    Possibly very accurate - but - totally unplayable -

    Wong initially was an advocate of DI and embraced the concept until he came to the realization that HE was NOT capable of realizing consistent results !

    Fortunately for him - he only published his " Wong Halves " point count and did NOT actually play it -

    If he did - he would have forsaken Black Jack long before he took up trying to play craps !

    $...eE..$
     
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  14. Grizzoola, Oct 25, 2016

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    Here's a question, asked in all seriousness, but I'm not sure anyone cares to, or can, answer it: Has DI spread beyond the borders of the U.S.? Is it practiced anywhere outside the U.S.?
     
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  15. Grizzoola, Oct 25, 2016

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    Careful, TD! That's why we have religions.
     
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  16. $nakeEye$, Oct 25, 2016

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    Interesting !

    To say the least !

    On another forum ( Heavy's ) there is at least one individual who plays " Down Under " -

    Then there is another who's handle is Bermuda who I assume plays there !

    However - THIS forum is similar to Ted Mack's Amateur Hour -

    And I seriously doubt - excepting a handful of REAL players - IF ANYONE - would have the slightest inkling as to WHAT you are talking about !

    $...eE..$
     
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  17. DeMango, Oct 26, 2016

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    Bermuda does not play in Bermuda.
    Professional Blackjack came out in 1991.
    Stanford Wong did not coin the phrase "wonging"
    If you will find the recent interview of Wong by Michael Shakleford on Wizard of odds site, you will find that he does still embrace DI.
     
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  18. KokomoJoe4, Oct 26, 2016

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    No comprende, as I see no correlation between tossing dice and physics, athleticism or even dexterity.
     
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  19. DeMango, Oct 26, 2016

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    Very simple. Craps is physics and math. No more, no less. A DI who can duplicate somewhat his toss can measure results and take advantage and overcome the math. You got it or you don't, could not be more simpler.
     
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  20. KokomoJoe4, Oct 26, 2016

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    Well, I do not have it, although I'll have an occasional excellent toss.
     
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