koko You said So you are an optimist and see some good in everything you have paid for/worked at. Some days, things go your way. Other days, nothing seems to work well. I see this variation as the inevitable randomness of the dice. Obviously, you see things differently, and I respect that. I like what you say about LJG and Superrick looking to determine what their shot is producing today, but there are days where you are passing the dice on to the next shooter way to quickly to determine this. Still, if you are seeing numbers repeat it is probably smart to get out on them. I am 100% sure that the vast majority of times i play on the table i should be playing on i am influencing the dice..... the only question is can i find the way to take advantage of that??? There will be days your shot is not consistent enough to have a pattern. I am an optimist in craps because i have done what i know you can do enough times to be excited about the next 50. 60 roll YOU can do that same thing. Remember the dad that told his kid if you want to be a good baseball player you need to throw the ball up and hit it over and over until you got. it...he practiced hours and just could not hit it. The dad asked, well you going to be a good hitter, the kid said no, but i think i am going to be a great...pitcher !!! TDB

Yes, it does, doesn't it? Now, why would that be? Even more importantly, how? I know WHY, but I do not yet know HOW.

The secret to winning at gambling is knowing how much to bet and when. No matter what you bet on. If you are a mathematician the secret to gambling is (-1)(-1) OR (-1)(-1)(-1)(-1) If you are NOT a mathematician the secret to gambling is. "Mikes Ladder" I designed "Mikes Ladder" to beat the Craps Field Bet. I had a friend in high school. Who, If you told him he could not do something. He would do it, Just to prove you wrong. A little bit of his determination rubbed of on me. As a result the Craps Field Bet has been beaten. This brings me to my next challenge. How to sell "Mikes Ladder" for a Million dollars. It Is worth it. Enough for now. Looking forward to comments. Pleasant comments or not. Do not really care. Please feel free to pass this letter on. Mike

If I ever publish "Mikes Ladder" People and Mathematicians will be amazed how easy it is to win at gambling.

This is Barney Eustace bought a 22 ft Mike's ladder at the Homedepot last week for $229. It even has levelers on two of the legs.

He showed you the "math" Ma'am. (-1)(-1)(-1)(-1), it's pretty obvious, that it has to work, if you just look at the numbers. All you need to know, is how much to bet, and when to bet it. If you know that H-T-F are you going to lose? Somebody is bound to come up with a $million, real soon.

In order to so-called win at the field bet, do you need a no house edge field where both and pay triple, or do you also do it with the standard -5.7% field bet? Has your high school buddy ascertained whether or not we earthlings are the lone intelligent life in the universe? If not, can he at least come onto the board and derive Planck's constant for us?

Hope this news does not devastate you, but people beat the field bet damn near every day. Trouble is, these same people tend to lose more than they win when playing the field, as well as every other bet on the table. I've played the field approximately 8 times in a couple of thousand craps sessions. I believe that I am a loser with the bet. Your ladder is too rich for my blood, so I will take Eustace's que and get mine at Home Depot.

I'll put this here in case anyone missed it the first time. Surprisingly the price hasn't gone up. http://www.crapsforum.com/threads/the-math-for-beating-gambling-is-here.33698/

KoKo's ladder on the pass line is your best chance at winning and he gives it away for free. If your system actually works, move it out of the field and to the line. It would work much better there.

Couple summers ago the guy playing the bubble next to me hit 14 field bets in a row betting green. I casually mentioned that was a good run and maybe he should bail before it turned. He left with nothing but memories.

OP, you could use wincraps to test this out, but wincraps is statistically accurate and will definitely work the same way and not care about any pattern. However, there could be real life patterns that work for you. Your only hope is to try out that strategy in real life and see how well it goes.

Win craps pro is a great program to set up simulations and play the hell out of them for cheap but. One must keep in mind the RNG is based on a seed number which is assigned when started. The results will be derived from this seed number. Change the seed number and the results will differ for the same exact scenario. Of course other then recording this who can see these differences?? When I first started using WCP I played the hell out of a couple scenarios and began to see patterns repeat. This gave me the feeling that the seed numbers limit the outcomes in repeated scenarios. Just the feeling since I cannot prove it. I inquired about this and was informed of the seed numbers at Startup. Changing seed numbers altered the outcomes of the test. I think.

And so, what can be concluded from all of this.if changing the "seed number" changes the results, why is that any different from one session yielding a different result from another? ( deviation).

Well that's why you run a simulation say a million times, which should come up with the long term result.

grisseledbear Smart craps, Wincraps, and Bone Tracker will take data in and the more data you give it the more accurate that results will seem to be. But so what, if i take 10 million people that have had a heart attack and run that data, it tells me a lot about having a heart attack, but very little if I have cancer. If you go to Biloxi and play at Harrahs and record the data, play at Scarlet Pearl and record that data, and then at Boomtown and record that data, at Hardrock and record that data and you do that for years...it really tells you nothing that you can use at an individual table.... In my opinion IF you have practiced several hundred hours you know what your shot or shots should look like and the difference between certain sets.....some say well i can adjust to every table...some maybe can, but whats the point, there are still tables where your shot does not have to be adjusted. I have proven to myself that without reservation on my craps trips if i play on the tables i should be playing on I will come home with more money than if i played craps at every casino my wife wanted to visit. No one is anywhere good enough to have the exact results on all types of tables in all types of playing conditions. Dicesetter