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Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by lone irish digit, Dec 16, 2016.
Your record on challenges isn't looking so good. Why another one?
Writing about challenges he still hasn't written how much it cost him to play out the challenge and how much did he win or lose from the money he had to put on the table to play and how about where these all of these rolls take place at! Was it the great RedRock casino?
Bullshit.....ask Crapspoopshoot? He stated emphatically that bubble craps is a SLOT MACHINE with SET PAYMENTS and HOLDS like a slot. He NOW knows "real bubble craps players" playing slot machines full time!!!??? Yeah right. You two better get your stories straight.
You wonder why doubt is cast on claims of yours and others? This is a PERFECT example. Crapspoopshoot has been EMPHATIC that bubble craps is a SLOT MACHINE!! How the hell is he telling you he knows "real players" playing a slot machine full time???
Join the club!
If it is possible then it can be proven.
It can be proven. I have posted how in the past.
You may think you proved it but you didn't and I don't even need to read it to know that.
Merry Xmas Pressit!
You now have a present under TG's tree.
There are ways to beat casinos games even slot machine if you can figure them out the trouble is that most don't know how to keep their mouths shut and that game goes away! Crapspoopshoot is not going to tell you or anybody else how some players are beating bubble craps!
I must confess I know nothing about the Bubble, except for that annoying voice, "HIT THE BUTTON...HIT THE BUTTON", and you are under a 15 to 20 second time limit to place your bet. Other than that...well that is all I know how the Bubble works.
However, between you and Liman I have learned there are only 2 manufactures of these Bubble machines, is there one Bubble more preferable over the other? I do know if you don't HIT THE BUTTON, the machine will bounce the cubes on its own. From your experience with the Bubble, does it really matter if you hit the button yourself, or let the machine do it for you?
Letting the machine hit the button in my opinion is more random than when you do it yourself. I recall playing bubble craps on a machine that had a VERY slight delay on the plunger, which allowed me to watch the dice before hitting the button. I would look for certain dice combinations like when the dice are rolling around and I saw them line up hardway sets and immediately push the plunger. I got good results with that and had a few winning sessions.
The last time I played bubble craps, the delay on the button seemed to increase to almost an entire second. Which really nullified this technique, so I quit playing and elected to roll my own dice.
If I find another machine that has instantaneous button response, I'd be on that all day/night. I believe those machines, if they exist, are beatable.
He said do not play it. It's a slot machine. Not a video poker type machine...but a slot machine.
You've been all over this board telling everyone slot machines are a joke to try and play. You said you even bought one for your wife so she wouldn't lose so much money on a casino slot.
Now poop knows players in town beating slot machines? Really?
2 machines. Yes. The Aruze version is in Vegas. It's not supposed to matter if you hit the button or you let the timer run out and let it go automatically. I like looking for combinations to appear before I hit it. Is it bubble influence? Maybe
I have some pretty good luck with the bubble.
Contrary to a wrong opinion being floated here...it is not a slot machine set to make payouts by inducing results with a magnet or something else. It's a random result. A random game...just like table craps is supposed to be.
Please, tell everybody how you know that for a fact!
Well...I offered poop the opportunity to go down to Aruze gaming and their headquarters here in Vegas...meet with the developer, possibly get some demonstration of how bubble craps works. He said no. Not interested. He wants to live in darkness. His choice.
A guy named Mike Maley is their key person here. Nice guy.
If anyone thinks bubble craps is set like a slot machine...I have no words. They are clueless, IMO. Let them believe what they want.
You see Rick..the difference between you and me is that when I post a gambling experience on bubble craps, a win, pictures, etc....I don't give one $hit if you believe the story or not. If I cannot provide the proof you feel you need--and you choose not to believe. I don't care.
You on the other hand seem to get genuinely upset when that disbelief is offered to your stories about skilled shooting, making a living, etc. Ever hear the term "me thinks thou protest too much"...?
Me? I don't care if you believe it or not. Others will make their own judgements based on how they view my credibility.
Do I care that poop or others think bubble craps is a slot?....not a wit. I tried to make an offer. Beyond that, I'm done. I'll never see him on the bubble as he would never play a slot machine.
Not sure how or why he's telling you about "real bubble craps" players. His opinion is they are a slot machine. Something isn't adding up. Either his story. Or your story that he knows them. He said point blank "don't play them, they are a slot machine".
Is the suggestion they are cheating?
Committing a crime to beat a slot machine?
That would be a serious offense.
Even if they are gaming the system....only a complete moron would reveal that to a stranger giving them a ride in his vehicle.
Unsolicited praise, on Wizard board by Lucky Phow:
"Biloxi in December is great. Casinos are not crowded. Resort hotels at casinos are hungry for visitors, and the comps reflect it. The weather is reasonable, compared to the snow, sleet, slush, and freezing temperatures in other gaming destinations. So, what's not to like?
My first casino destination was the Imperial Palace. When I tried to connect my computer to the hotel guest wi-fi at Imperial Palace, Foxfire screamed that, "this Internet connection is totally insecure," so I didn't connect (but, I did report this to the hotel). A few days later I was able to connect to the hotel wi-fi at the Beau Rivage. When I logged into WoV, I saw an email sent a short while earlier from DeMango, indicating he was writing from his room at the Scarlet Pearl. So I replied, announcing I would be at the Scarlet Pearl the next day. We did meet one another the next morning playing MS Stud. And, while everyone *KNOWS* DI is absolutely, positively impossible, I did see him later at the craps table, where he consistently seemed to average longer-than-average dice rolls. (Roll on, DeMango!)"
Damn, another "rain" day here in SOCAL with 5X points at the local casino. But might opt out today, went yesterday for the "Rain" day, and a cash back coupon......should have stayed home, gave them a little back from my winnings the day the thieves hit my truck.
Unlike Vegas, the casinos here are packed around the holidays, local easy access, and lots of promotions.
But I will probably end up going anyway.
OAP use your jedi mind trick on the dice and win a million. Just 1 though if you win 2 you'll get too much heat!
Yeah there are days when I have plenty of longer then average rolls. Days when I have tossed multiple fire bets. Days when I rolled tons of 4 and 10's. Just need to have more the average days of rolling good.
essentially you are both right except that there is something that can be done but it's just highly, highly unlikely that it will ever be done.
it is not precisely or "technically" accurate to call it "proof" but actually it is close enough for the purpose.
actual, scientific "proof" is not possible but a "high level of mathematical confidence" is the best one can get...the "theory" of gravity is a good analogy...it cannot be "proven" but all trials or tests of it have so far affirmed it to such a high, over-the-top "confidence level" that it is generally deemed a "certainty"...
a better analogy might be that cigarettes cause cancer...this too has not been "proven" but its truth has been affirmed to a level of confidence such that it is generally deemed true...it is possible, as ed-ky alludes, to "prove" (to, ok, use the term loosely) DI to a similar confidence level as, say, the cigarette example.
BUT THE THING IS IN 150 YEARS OF THE DEBATE A CONTROLLED, SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT UNDER LIVE, CASINO CONDITIONS TO PROVE DI HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN ATTEMPTED...
there are a couple of very good reasons why there has never been such an attempt: 1. there are some real, difficult, practical problems in holding such a trial...by no means, however, are these problems unsolvable...but never mind the herculean effort and commitment it would take, much more importantly is 2. it is in no one's vested interest to actually PROVE DI...
certainly to an accomplished DIer no proof is needed but then these creatures are not posting about it here or on any forum...but further no one, really, wants to be shooting from a cup.
so, yes, garg, you are correct. those demanding a high level of confidence, or proof if you will, as to the effectiveness of DI---naysayers as you call them---are left with luck and variance as the only viable explanation, given their own eyes and experience with the way dice tumble but most especially because of how the casinos themselves deal with the issue...
they neither acknowledge the skill nor is any shooter banned from any casino for their dice skills.