Where to play online craps with 5x above odds bet?

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  1. John Chin, May 15, 2021

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    The land-based casinos in Las Vegas offered 10x, 50x and 100x odds bet but online craps only offered 3x the most. Is there any online craps which offer 5x (and above) odds craps?

    You can play ONLINE LIVE craps from Evolution. But the odds bet is 1x. This is a rip-off!
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, May 16, 2021

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    WHY would anyone play craps online? Unless of course it was a friendly? Craps Forum get together to see who has the most money after a certain amount of playing time, using opaque dice, with the baron holding everyone's buy in to send it to the contest winner, less a 50.7% holding fee?
     
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  3. yacraps, May 17, 2021

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    ...Mr. Chinn I don't do any gambling on line no fun Id rather keep it real ;)
     
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  4. von duck, May 17, 2021

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    It's a better deal than most Indian casinos, offer. :D
     
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  5. John Chin, May 17, 2021

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    I fully agree with you guys that playing at physical casinos is the best option where you can experience the atmosphere mingling with the people who win together at the craps table. I would love to play at land-based casinos but because of geographical distance, we don't have a physical casino that offer craps game here. Thus our only option is to look for online LIVE craps.

    Well, let me go further than the original question I posted 2 days ago. I noticed that the ONLINE (not live) craps which normally offers 3x odds bet are rigged. For example, let's say you place a bet on a number. Next, the computer-based system captures your number. Then the computer-based RNG generates a number; it will normally spit a number that is not your number. In the end, you lose all your money. My advice is to STAY AWAY from online craps.

    Evolution ONLINE LIVE craps comes with live dice throw, i.e. the random number is not generated from a computer-based RNG. Thumbs up for this great effort. However, currently as there are no other competitor who offers online live craps like what Evolution did, they have the guts to offer 1x odds bet. Just imagine... if you walk into a physical casino which offers a craps table with 1x odds bet, will you place a dime to bet?! Definitely not, you'll run away immediately. So STAY AWAY from Evolution online live craps (which offer 1x odds bet)!! This is daylight robbery.

    Because of geographical distance, I am not able to visit physical casinos. Now I know online craps are RIGGED. I can only watch Evolution ONLINE LIVE craps. But I don't place any bet. I am hoping Evolution will finally increase the odds bet to at least 3x :-(
     
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    No airports?
     
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  7. John Chin, May 18, 2021

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    Yes there is but I live on the opposite part of the world, in southeast asia. So flying to Las Vegas, for example, is a long long journey and travelling costs are heavy :-( That's why I am looking for online live craps. I envy you guys who can just jump into your car and drive to physical casinos. And with the present covid-19 pandemic, it makes travelling overseas more difficult.
     
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  8. von duck, May 18, 2021

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    Your English is pretty good for a guy from "Southeast Asia", in fact, it's as good as most people from New Jersey. :) The 1X odds bet is not (daylight robbery) they are actually doing you a favor. If you think that live on-line throws, are any guarantee of an honest game, you better think again. Live throws in a casino, are no guarantee of an honest game, especially if the dice are OPAQUE. Never play any game with opaque dice. :cool:
     
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  9. John Chin, May 18, 2021

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    "...Live throws in a casino, are no guarantee of an honest game, especially if the dice are OPAQUE. Never play any game with opaque dice."

    Thanks for the kind words, Von. I will listen to your advice on live throws.

    Hopefully covid-19 will slow down and international travel restrictions eased. Then I will make it a point to visit casinos in Las Vegas with 100x (10x is good enough) odds bet and beat them PANTS DOWN :) Cheerio...
     
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  10. KokomoJoe4, May 18, 2021

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    Baron,

    IF opaque dice are "unfair" in some way, wouldn't this be an advantage to a sharp player who, having identified some sort of so-called bias, would bet accordingly?

    Why would an establishment offer an advantage to the players who are "smart" enough to identify what their dice do?

    Why not just keep them the way they are, random?
     
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  11. lone irish digit, May 18, 2021

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    VD prepost reply

    The opaque dices are used mainly on the new "roll to win" craps game which requires just a stick personage and no chips. The dices are throne on clear plastic tabletop which records results electronically. According to my comrade "eagleeyes 2" who has closely observed opaque dices in action in North Carolina Cadinos, the dices have magnetic chips embedded in them and the tabletop to ensure the Cadinos will win every session unless one of the stick personage's many relatives are tossing the dices.
     
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  12. von duck, May 18, 2021

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    No, the casino would not knowingly offer an advantage to any player. Any fix in craps would likely be "dynamic" (changeable) so that could be applied or removed as needed to accommodate the situation at hand. Having the dice drop randomly is no guarantee of a "straight" game either. The Aruze bubble is I believe a good example. It appears to me that the machine is able to reject a throw by bumping the trampoline at the last second, and in doing so, gets another crack at a new number, even though the new number might be achieved randomly.
    Think of how big of an advantage you would have if you were allowed to reject just one roll per come-out, and throw the dice again. All of your counted throws would be achieved randomly, but the game would no longer be random. You would still not win every hand, but you would win a lot more than usual.
    The Opaque dice in the Aruze throw to win, give results similar to the Aruze bubble, but, I don't know how it's done, it's not plainly visible like the shoot to win game. :cool:
     
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    “All of your counted throws would be achieved randomly, but the game would no longer be random.”
    WTF ???
     
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    Read the post very carefully, Ma'am. There is a point to what I am saying. The point is, that random throws, do not necessarily equate, to a random game. In the case of the post you responded to, the throws themselves are not manipulated, but they are, to some degree, "cherry picked". Therefore, even though the throws themselves are random, the game is NOT RANDOM. Comprendo? Ma'am.
     
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    Total illogical BS. :p
     
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  16. von duck, May 19, 2021

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    Perhaps to "some" or even most, it would seem illogical, but this is the way I see it. You could have, and most likely would have, given some explanation of WHY it is illogical, if you really had case, but you don't, do you Ma'am? . :confused: This is not the first time, that I've brought this to light, and the "shills"
    Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, so I think I'm on the right track. :) Saying it is illogical, does not make it wrong, now does it Ma'am? :cool:
     
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    This is true. Many players bad betting habits make the game worse than random for them in any given session. I see it all the time.

    One of my favorite memories is the guy at the terminal next to me bitching that the game is rigged because his lay the 9 bet got picked off for the 8th or 9th time while my terminal is printing a ticket because my $10, now pressed to $400, buy the 9 just hit again.

    The screen that shows the results for the past rolls is one of their greatest inventions ever to get more money out of players. Even if the screen shows 8, 10's rolled in the past 10 rolls, the odds are still exactly the same for the next roll being a 10..................................
     
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  18. von duck, May 19, 2021

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    A players betting habits, does NOT make the game worse than random, it makes it worse that a more favorable betting scheme, on average.
    One of my favorite memories is the last time some other shill, told this exact same story. "I pressed my $10 buy nine to $400 and it just hit again"? :confused: Yeah, right. :cool:
    If eight 10s rolled in the last 10 throws, I think it would be better to bet ON the 10 rather than against, I think it makes more sense, to bet ON a trend, when you are gambling. :)
     
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