Video Poker - Indian Casino style

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  1. Craps Poopshoot, Mar 20, 2016

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    I just came back from an Indian Casino where I suspected something was up with the Video Poker for a while now, for my experience there playing VP is very different than playing in Las Vegas (and it is nothing to do with the pay tables).

    What is going on is that that Indian Casino is that they are simply returning the discarded card back to the deck rather than removing them. I noticed this when I got 4 to a straight flush (all hearts) on a JOB 9/5 machine with a King of of spades sitting in the center of the deal. Since I was down quiet a bit I took notice particular of this hand, so I selected my four hold cards (all the hearts) and then pressed the draw button. The Kink of Spades flashed but did not go away, and I lost the hand. I sat there stunned and realized that I had seen this before, where a discarded card comes back, but my mind at those times did not really register that was in fact what was happening.

    Returning the discarded cards back to the deck to be drawn from can indeed give the illusion that there is more than one deck at play, as players may claim.

    The Wizard of Odds publishes the rules for VP here
    http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/basics/#toc-Rules

    However, in Oregon the Indian Casinos are 'self-regulated' and they can do whatever they want with the games with impunity. If they chose to return the discarded cards back to the deck, this does obviously increases house edge by: You will get more 2 of a kinds and slightly more full houses, but the odds then for the 4-kinds, straight flushes and royals goes way up.

    If you need an excuse to NOT PLAY video poker at a tribal casino, this is it then.
     
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  2. wonko33, Mar 20, 2016

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    is it real VP in Oregon or lottery style like in Washington?
     
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  3. Craps Poopshoot, Mar 20, 2016

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    VP in Oregon is Class III, meaning that an independent RNG in the machine determines the results.
     
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  4. Edward-ky, Mar 20, 2016

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    Isn't slots where they are programmed to pay out so much and are VP machines the same way?
     
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  5. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 25, 2016

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    Assuming rational play (i.e. a player does not trash winning hands routinely) returning discards clearly favors the house. Like, why did the player pitch that card? Don't get why the frequency of pairs and boats goes up, however.
    If by "programmed" you mean the machine keeps track of how it is doing and produces non-random results if necessary to make what it is supposed to make, then no, that is not the way they work. Results are determined randomly, just like they are in the table games. Payback percentages are also determined the same way they are in the table games: by paying winning combinations at lower odds than they had of occurring. For slot machines this is typically accomplished by how the virtual reels are laid out; for video poker it is the pay table alone that determines the payback percentage.
     
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  6. nura.leoniva, Jun 6, 2016

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    Friends, are you play in this game? Can you tell what mechanism`s of payments specific?
     
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  7. Craps Poopshoot, Jun 6, 2016

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    The typical bet for a 25 cent machine is coins or $1.25 per hand.
     
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