Yep....the sad part is that there are players that have spent thousands on that Class, & instead of getting those longer than random rolls that SUPERRICK speaks of.....they are on this, & other forums more than myself, INSTEAD of killing the Casinos. Oh......& before I forget.....just MY opinion, & before they start with the " You can't win" bullshit......I haven't been to a Casino in over 6 months, & prior to THAT, my last loss was a whopping $85 loss on a Cruise Ship. Thought I might make THAT known, being that any/everyone that disagrees with their agenda is either LOSING at craps, or stop plating, because they can't win. Lol Here's something else for ya......As Super sick says....the Slo-mo videos show that the dice bounce all over the place, & that players are just getting lucky a lot of times. So....does the Little Joe toss teach you to get luckier, so that you can beat most tables? Now....watch how the " back-peddling starts. Lol It'll probably go something like this: The little Joe School teaches good betting skill to go along with the shot. Lol NEWS FLASH....NONE of these Vault Assaulting tosses are any better than the others. A tad better than random? I believe so, but DEFINITELY not something that gives you an advantage. My guestimation ( once again....MY opinion) is that all of the schools, Gurus, betting strategies, & different tosses...AT BEST allows you to play " Even" with the Casinos. Having an advantage? No!!!