It was recently mentioned elsewhere... If you allow anyone to do whatever they want to with two casino type of dice balanced etc. more or less perfectly....set them, shake them, hold them perfectly still, but then.. drop said dice set however the player wishes, at least three inches above the surface of the table(craps table), she can either drop them straight down, throw them left or right, hit a wall or not, we don't care..said person, male or female, can't influence the resulting numbers on the top of the dice after they are still on said table.. That about sums it up. Nice meeting you and thanks for the $1000.usd..
Nok Tang Go take a flying leap over a bridge.It was nice when you had left this forum. Just saying...
Nok tang, I had to read your post about 3 times before I can somewhat decypher it. But it seems like you are talking about dice tosses and all the physical elements and evironmentals involved with it. Are you a dealer?
What Nok Tang is saying is, when you multiply all of the variables of a dice throw, i.e. Angle, grip, set, trajectory, momentum, landing zone, spin, etc., it seems like an impossible task, and I see his point, and anybody else should be able to see it too. Tough to do, and just as tough to quantify. It is impossible to prove or disprove, so is everything else, you think you "know". There is no such thing as proof, everything is subject, to the biased perception, of all party's involved. We have to guess at everything, including the validity this post. Of course, you must consider the source.
Glad to see there is a new generation of randies willing to grab the flag and run up the hill against the DI cannons! Go Nok! Go Duck! I think the site is in good hands. Good luck, and have fun!!
For any session...Considering our time on the table is limited...and considering during that time at the table we don't get the toss too often--- How many hands are we talking about? I would only offer if you aren't getting dice control, influence, whatever....within that limited time---then what's the positive? So....proof? Nobody is offering proof. The trials would be way too long. Then again, if someone stepped up and said "I will influence this...." And do it in 5-10-15 hands (whatever that table time allows)...might be fun to watch. A session is not 40,000 rolls. A session is gonna be short. Just winning is a different story. We all do that. Influencing a result...if it is to be useful for that limited able time---I would think has to be immediate. 5-10-15 hands.
"MENTIONED ELSEWHERE" obviously doesn't know everything The reality is very simple Everything you do influences the final outcome Throw them harder , or throw them softer , final result will change Throw them higher , throw them lower result will likely be different Set them with different numbers facing up , outcome will be different Everything you do is influence , You may not get the outcome you desire but you INFLUENCE the dice Perhaps the person making that statement did not understand the difference between , "INFLUENCE" and , "CONTROL"
knowing it must be immediate and yet slow feeding bets onto the table one at a time with the , "COME BET" and not taking immediate action is totally counter intuitive if not totally contradictory to smart play
Whaat? Based on this logic...then we are ALL dice influencers. Some shake the dice. Some toss high, low, some set, etc, etc. So now we are on to another definition where we are ALL dice influencers but only some are dice controllers? No offense...but that is NOT what has been presented by various dice influencers here....the idea that anyone on the table is influencing a result but ONLY a Dice controller is controlling a wanted (influenced) result. If you are part of the circle of insiders...you better get yourself on the same page as them because most here who consider themselves dice influencers are influencing a wanted result (Or at least claim to, even if it's avoiding a 7)..not simply influencing a result. We ALL influence a result. As opposed to laying out a whole $5 on numbers? That's immediate action for a skilled player? Ya know...there's a reason why Phil Mickelson wins $4,000 per shot in a golf tournament. He's highly skilled. You win a whole $7 per shot on a 6....and you claim high skill like a golfer? Is that laughter I hear in the distance? Quite certain.
"YES" exactly right when you throw the dice you influence the outcome This is why I have said several times on this forum many of you people are arguing about different things in the same discussion I suggested that the definition of , "WIN" and , "WINNING" should be established so we are talking about the same things As an example , "You could , "WIN" a session but not be , "WINNING" for the day "INFLUENCING" the dice outcome is not the same as "CONTROLLING" the outcome but you are correct those are two entirely different things A person might , "INFLUENCE" the dice to gain some , "CONTROL" over the outcome But of course you already knew that , you were simply trying to convince people that DIs cannot do what DIs are doing Everyone influences the dice by the way they throw them A trained DI who practices regularly will have a more consistent and acceptable outcome than the random player You said the other day , when you throw the dice you make some attempt to avoid the 7 what influence do you exercise You seem to be laboring under some misconception or rather suffering from some confusion you are in the "GROUP OF INSIDERS" I am not Those DIs are influencing results Those wanted or desired results are realized at different levels depending upon the level of training and amount of time spent practicing Nope the comparison must be made between placing the 6 & 8 then placing 4 come bets over a period of 6 or 8 bets to cover the box numbers just in time for the 7 As opposed to covering them and collecting 4 or 5 bets I know you prefer the play not to lose game to the play to win version It's the math of the game that promotes so many of you into "THE WRONG GAME" but as you say Each person has to choose what works best for them The problem is , "THAT PLAY NOT TO LOSE" game doesn't work better for anybody Oh granted sometimes it allows them to lose less but playing that game , "LOSE THEY WILL" You are absolutely right , and it's no secret , He was trained for years and practices daily , in addition to playing You know what's really funny about all that The people who train him make a ,"$#^*T" load of money for teaching people what they taught him , but most people are to , FREAKING" cheap to turn loose of the money to learn to play better , "They engage in the , GREATEST EXERCISE IN FUTILITY KNOWN TO MANKIND" They want to be self taught In short they undertake to learn something from someone who knows nothing about the subject material THEMSELVES Craps players as a whole are just as dumb "FIND SOMEONE WHO HAS DEVELOPED THE SKILL YOU WISH TO HAVE AND GET THEM TO TEACH YOU"
Ok...WHO is establishing what a win is or what winning is?? You?? Ok...again, WHO is establishing what a win is or what winning is?? You?? Then he is INFLUENCING a WANTED result!! A DICE CONTROLLER. "SOME CONTROL"...??? You can't be a little bit pregnant. Either you are pregnant or not. Either you are getting control or not. Could be some times and not other times. It's STILL control. Is DI or DC some deal where day 1 you are a DC and day 2 doesn't go well...so you are a DI (good looking mechanics but random results--hence a randie) More consistent and acceptable?? Nice try. What does that mean? That means to me he can CONTROL more consistent and acceptable results. Jeez, you just defined influence in a previous post to mean that everyone influences a result based on how they toss...even randies. Low, high, short, long...all tosses influence A result. More consistent and acceptable means CONTROL beyond influence. If influence can be anyone tossing the dice in ANY manner...then you are referring to DICE CONTROLLERS, not dice influencers. A dice controller can have ANY results better than random. Then that person is a dice CONTROLLER...not dice influencer. I am a dice influencer because each time I pick up the dice I may shake them, I may set them and I will influence A result... Your explanations are so screwed up that I'm going to say that even tdb cannot make heads or tails of it. It sounds like you are referring to people to can influence more consistent and acceptable results as DICE CONTROLLERS. Who cares whether some do it more than others. They are ALL still controllers. Or is there some magic number where you cross over to dice controller with better results....3%, 18%, 34%, 67%, 74%...??? What's the number that differentiates a controller over an influencer?? You should be referring to yourself as a DICE CONTROLLER because a DICE INFLUENCER (Based on your definition) seems to be anyone who tosses the dice to influence A result, any result...me included.
The person wagering $1 on the bubble has more "immediate action" than the person tapping a keyboard, hours away from a casino. Didn't make it out today since we decided to do all the cemetery visits in one day. We're going to make a day of it in the Quad cities area tomorrow.
LOL...I agree. I have no doubt that my yearly $$ action FAR surpasses a guy sitting in Mesa...punching a keyboard and buys in for $150 every 3-4 months and then walks after a $42 loss. My action probably surpasses James, Leon and Parker combined for the year. Enjoy your trip, Mssthis. I had sent a pic to random roller and yacraps....I was playing yesterday at RR and who walks in to check out the bubble for a few minutes? Mike Ditka. He leaned next to me staring intently on the action. I took a photo but tried to do it indiscreetly and couldn't get a front photo. That's my shoulder...LOL.
You play more often , your ACTION on the $1 bubble would fall way below our tips For you to use the term , "ACTION" while referencing what you do on the bubble is poetic license to the extreme Your , "ACTION" is barely more than playing bingo You're not fooling anybody , you might as well be playing a different slot machine , one without the big dice as an example What you do isn't gambling , it's , Guess a number and hope the machine brings it up , It's a guessing game Because you are , "NEVER THROWING DICE" you can alibi your little losses , "I was just unlucky . Play a game where success or failure depends on your actions and then tell us about it So that you can understand , let me repeat this in terms that even you can understand "We play when we want to or need to" We are not chasing losses and you need to stop you will never catch up Refer to definition : "WIN" and also , "WINNING" You are playing machines the longer you play the farther behind you will be "LTWOQ" No scratch that , "JUST QUIT" I
Each roll is completely random, no matter what training you paid for or got for from or practice you did. I really don't have the need to make this my "mission in life". I'm too busy with exposing human trafficking in South East Asia by "westerners". Much better cause that a few scammers selling classes on "dice influencing" or "dice control".
