Time to put on the brakes

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  1. James Hall, Feb 7, 2019

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    That is probably pretty
    That is probably pretty clever by long island standards.
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  2. tabletop123, Feb 7, 2019

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    Lol
     
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    Either way I avoid random shooters like the plague
     
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  4. twodicebilly, Feb 7, 2019

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    I think you right there, this is just a forum, I dont understand what is
    wrong with your guys.

    I have won big time and lost my ass, actually more than just my ass, I got
    nothing to prove to anyone, I cant play any worse than I have and any better
    than I have.

    The difference in the end is what kind of a guy are you...….I have seen many of the real
    good players get their asses kicked, I have Howard shoot and Heavy I imagine I will
    again in a week or so. But you wont see me on here cutting them down if they lose,
    you know damn well what you would hear from your buddies if they see me lose...

    I think some of your buddies are lacking a little.

    TDB
     
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  5. tabletop123, Feb 7, 2019

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    It doesn't matter, Billy! All that REALLY matters is how much you are losing, or winning.

    Dice Influencing is a funny thing. You can release the dice perfectly, & still lose.

    Tossing perfectly & receiving less than Stellar results....Sucks, but we both know that it's part of the game.

    Peaks, & Valleys. I,have always said that handling losses correctly ( not going on Tilt) is what separates the good shooters from the bums.

    I just had a session a few hours ago wherein NOTHING worked . Dice Set adjustments. Landing Spot adjustments, etc.

    Nothing worked! That's the reality of Dice Influencing . What's really frustrating is that I had many tosses wherein the release was good ( or at least they FELT good), & the outcomes were in a G2 settings, but yet......SEVEN OUTS. Lol

    Even the friggin Seven OUTS landed in a G2 setting. My point being.....sometimes there's absolutely nothing wrong. Sometimes ya just gotta "walk" away from the table, not worry about fixing something, & return at a later time.

    I like what Tin Horn Gambler said over on the Gamblingforums.com site......"Consistency escapes us all"!

    What ya normally get are those lack-luster to Mediocre hands & then......BAM!!!!......FINALLY that hand that allows ya to walk away with a winner.

    It's rarely gonna be 10 plus roll hands..... all night long.

    Sure, there will be days when you are " on fire", but many more days wherein your barely " Luke Warm".

    It's been touted that Frank, Dom, Stickman, & a few others are the best in the business.

    I've just never witnessed nor heard of the skill level of tossing that James Hall speaks of.

    Granted....doesn't mean it doesn't exist, but Billy.....I don't think that you've witnessed that level of skill either, & .........We'll just leave it at THAT!!!
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Feb 8, 2019

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  7. twodicebilly, Feb 8, 2019

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    Alrighty then, let me ask you a question. If there Is nothing that a player can do
    to change the outcome, then how can you get from a random result of the dice
    landing in group 2 of 66% to a winning situation where you have that result at
    70% or more.

    It seems to me either your very confused or your just pissed you cant win anymore.
    Remember now...….I have been to both those places, I understand the thought!!!!!!

    what finally hit me between the eyes was the notion that if I was throwing what looked like
    a good shot and was getting 3/4 4/3 3/4 that my shot was failing....everyone told us that,
    the instructors.....just take another class.,,,

    Wrong answer....

    If your shot is producing any repeating, even if it is the same 7...your shot is working, you just have to
    adjust to get a different set of numbers. TDV even pointed that out a long time ago, if you can
    control anything you can make millions....

    Where TDV was wrong was that what you can control today, more than likely you cant
    control tomorrow.

    Where I am screwed is if I throw a short roll and it is 3/4, the next short roll is 6/1 and the next is
    5/2...…….that shows you have no influence at all, and you cant adjust your way out of that
    mess.

    Now since this is just a forum for entertainment purposes you can laugh all want at this post.

    tdb
     
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  8. TDVegas, Feb 8, 2019

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    Well, I’m not a DI....

    But....

    Are you failing to see the opportunities that present when you are throwing short rolls of 6/1, 5/2 and 4/3...?

    I’ll admit it. I don’t get what you’re doing. “Can’t adjust your way out of that mess”...?

    That’s not a mess. That’s jackpot.

    Continue with that set. Continue with that toss. Continue to get those results....and adjust your betting, not your toss.

    If you can’t replicate those results...and I assume that is the heart of dice influence, replication....then you might just be a randie.
     
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  9. twodicebilly, Feb 8, 2019

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    The point I was making is that if there is any control at all, you will see it. It may
    not be the numbers you were hoping for, but hey I will take it. I can adjust
    a shot where I am getting 6/1 6/1 6/1 to what I want I am going to make money.

    If i am throwing 2 rolls and a 4/3, then 6 rolls and a 6/1 then five rolls and a 5/2
    there is not much I can do. Now if I am throwing point seven out and it is a
    3/4 then point Sevenout and it is a 6/1 then 2 shots and 5/2, that is different
    I have something to bet, the risk is lower playing the donts than if I had rolls
    of 1-7 with all different sevens.

    I am 100% sure there are guys smarter than I am that could take my shot and
    make more than I can,,,but after all this time, I am pretty sure I am stuck with what
    I have the ability to do.

    tdb
     
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  10. tabletop123, Feb 8, 2019

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    Nope....NOT confused. What I said was.......Nothing seemed to work YESTERDAY. My box numbers, & Seven outs were ALL OVER THE PLACE.

    What you fail to realize Billy, is.....although rare.....there are/will be times wherein you get those WANTED G2 outcomes, but unfortunately, they are laced with Seven Outs....Shit happens. Even the Seven Outs were of a variety. You guys just cant seem to accept that on CERTAIN days, even with MANY adjustments.....there's still no influence.

    The fu**ked up session was only a small sample Billy. Any idiot knows that you CAN make " Set" adjustments & adjustments as to WHERE you land the dice to get different results Billy. That stuff is Dice Influencing 101.

    What I am telling you is that after making several adjustments while STILL landing in G2.....STILL no favorable results & no repeating numbers. ( not MANY repeating numbers).

    If I haven't learned anything from this Dice Influencing thingy......I've learned SPECIFICALLY what dice do, & why. I've also learned to detect QUICKLY when it's gonna be one of those " STEP away from the table" days. The beauty is that I don't have to keep running to a Casino bleeding money ( as James says) to " Work on things".

    Regardless of what YOU say or think, when THAT happens, I do a James Hall.......I WALK!!

    Today is a different day. Gonna " have at it" after I get some coffee in me.
     
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  11. tabletop123, Feb 8, 2019

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    Incidentally, Billy....I do very well in the Casinos. Finding time to play is the problem. Only one $85 loss in the last 14visits, & the one loss was on a Cruise Ship. Silly me.

    No $75 wins either!!!
     
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  12. TDVegas, Feb 8, 2019

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    My approach to DI might be a little different....
    And likely not involve any adjustments as I think it dilutes any semblance of establishing mathematical confidence in results. Adjustments introduce another variable which must then be scrutinized for validity. No, my approach would be a single focus. No adjustment.

    My 10 step approach...

    #1....buy table matching characteristics of casino table.
    #2...utilize one position on table.
    #3...utilize one set.
    #4...utilize one toss/mechanic.
    #5...record 1,000+ results...or more.

    #6...hire mathematician to analyze results for best betting.
    (Calling MidnightS!)
    #7...assuming mathematician provides such....

    #8...go to casino.

    #9...either succeed or fail with what I've been given.
    #10...if success, utilize Kelly progression. Buy island.

    If, after a year I determine..."eh"....have I wasted time and money because I'm in the red or can't discern winning and losing sessions from when I just chucked...

    Sell table and realize this game is a game for entertainment...not enrichment.

    I may have no fuvking clue what I'm talking about in the above....
    But my approach would be KISS (keep it simple stupid).
     
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  13. tabletop123, Feb 8, 2019

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    TD, I agree 100/ with your assessment, but here's the reality.....Most Dice influencers are taught to roll & roll, & roll. Lots of numbers. Long hands.

    Ya know....the old EGO thing.......I just tossed a 52 roll hand thingy.

    They are not taught to concentrate tossing 7's from the DARKSIDE!!!

    Tossing 7's on the " Come out" roll from the RIGHTSIDE? Absolutely!!

    Then there's the thingy about......I ain't tossing 7's from the DARKSIDE because I lose my turn too quickly. Lol

    How's about finding an empty table & ya can get the dice RIGHT BACK into your hands JUST AS QUICK as ya can Seven out playing DARKSIDE.

    Problem solved!!!!!

    I must admit....I AM one of those guys that hates to play DARKSIDE.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Feb 8, 2019

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    Lol
     
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  15. TDVegas, Feb 8, 2019

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    Well...from my point of view, money trumps all. I could give a rats ass about impressing someone with a long roll.

    Money is the goal...not the accolades.
     
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  16. Mssthis1, Feb 8, 2019

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    One mans trash is another ones treasure. I hit my win goal in record time last night playing the dark side strategy I told you a while back that I use.

    FWIW: These are bubble rolls. For the tin foil hat crowd there was only one other player who was also on the dark side with a different strategy than what I use.

    The next roll was also a CO seven. I didn't record that one because I had already cashed out and didn't have any money on it.

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  17. Mssthis1, Feb 8, 2019

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    In the majority of cases if they're patting you on the back they're looking for the best spot to stick the knife in. Lol.
     
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    We are not in disagreement, when shit is happening you either get covered
    with it or get out of the way.
    What I was indicating to TDV is that when I get all three types of sevens, shit is
    happening and I better find something else to do because i am not doing anything
    right.

    tdb
     
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  19. tabletop123, Feb 8, 2019

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    Actually, I like using a Bi-axial Dice set...say 22 on top 31 facing you & if I get an Off Axis 7, I simply switch to a 22 on top 13 facing you, & that should suffice.,
    Now, if I get another Off Axis 7....I know to go to a Heavy Sevens Dice Set.

    This stuff is not hard to figure out. The trick is to get ANYTHING consistently......GOOD, OR BAD! From THAT point, trouble-shooting/finding the desirable Dice Set is a breeze.

    It's as you said.... If results are all over the place....good or bad?...... Go HOME!!!!
     
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  20. lone irish digit, Feb 8, 2019

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    This is Barney,

    Changing sets in short term is a mostest very interesting topic. As described in his second book "The Game of Craps" the LID never changes sets based on short term table results. If I read his writing correctly, he usually uses a G1 set for the comeout and and a bi-axes set for the point cycle. After over 20,000 in house tosses of the dices where I record the left dice and Eustace the right, the LID knows which side is his strong side and which one is the weakest one in the long run. He then uses the PASS theory to come up with his bestest bi-axes dice set and sticks with it thru the session. With the PASS theory he puts the six on the dice facing him which is weakest link so when he makes bad toss he will minimize crap numbers and just hit the box numbers or if unlucky the seven.
     
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