The Faster the "Worster"

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  1. FrankScoblete, Oct 2, 2015

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  2. Onautopilot, Oct 2, 2015

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    Just a bit convoluted in your comparison here. A better comparison would be a risk / reward analysis....how much luck do I need to experience a certain win amount at the two different games. If you have a fixed bankroll, which game would one choose to play if they were not concerned with time, but rather the chance to win? I would opt for the lower HA bets myself.
     
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  3. basicstrategy777, Oct 2, 2015

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    There goes Mr. Math again.....so predictable...so dull.

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  4. wonko33, Oct 2, 2015

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    Watch out guys, here comes a 7!
     
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  5. $nakeEye$, Oct 4, 2015

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    Frank -

    I am violating MY OWN #1 rule regards posting on this forum -

    I want to publicly commend YOU for YOUR generosity and YOUR unwavering dedication to separate fact from fiction !

    Although MOST of your literary works can be defined as " fiction " -

    There is a " fine line " between " fact and fiction " -

    WHEN AND/OR IF -

    ONE " FACT " is altered - however, minutely, as it may be -

    The " fact of the matter " is THAT publication is NOW FICTION !

    I want to tell YOU - " THANK YOU " - for your literary contributions -

    AND " THANK YOU " for your graciousness and generosity in affording the members of this forum the opportunity to partake of your insight and wisdom of the finer points of LIFE !

    Many criticize you - more than likely - due to their jealousness / envy of your accomplishments -

    However, I and my wife, Linda , DO NOT !

    WE hold you in high esteem - regardless of your long or short rolls at the craps table -

    YOU hold your head high when you walk down the street ! -

    YOU have earned THAT right - regardless what the incompetent naysayers have to write -

    Wishing Nothing but " The Best " -

    To YOU and the " Beautiful AP " !

    Sincerely,

    $nakeEye$ and LuckyLady
     
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  6. DeMango, Oct 4, 2015

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    High Esteem for a Huckster. Good title for someones next book. Who was it that said, "The bigger the lie the better"?
     
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  7. Dave G Ct, Oct 4, 2015

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    I would like to welcome back Snakeyes back to this board. Somebody who is skilled as a DI but willing to help other players
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    Show some respect towards Frank. Your act is wearing thin.
     
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  8. lone irish digit, Oct 4, 2015

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    The new and improved snakeyes is back. Superdave please no more videos. Your stupid topics are ok in my book though. Can't wait to see snake's videos.
     
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  9. DeMango, Oct 5, 2015

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    Really? Respect for a fairy tale teller? I have respect for those who write gambling books who speak truth. I could name a bunch but I will spare you. I got a good author in mind for non AP gambling. Find books written by Lyle Stuart. Now there is some great reading.
     
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  10. Dave G Ct, Oct 5, 2015

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    I heard of Lyle Stuart. Was into Dice and baccarat. Will look for his book
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  11. basicstrategy777, Oct 5, 2015

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    Welcome back Snake....

    The Lyle Stuart book is...Casino Gambling for the Winner....it's a decent book.

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  12. DeMango, Oct 5, 2015

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    Two different editions, two different books! Love his Bac books also.
     
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  13. SevenOut, Oct 5, 2015

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    Is there a way you can tell a lying Gold Miner from a Craps Dice Controller?

    Yes.

    The liar at the bottom of the hole is the Miner. The other is standing next to it.

    (A modified Mark Twain comparison, just for my amusement and to make a point.)

    There is a good comparison between selling books of how to win gambling at a Casino Table Game. I can compare it to a Gold Miner or gold prospector.

    There is more money to be made SELLING the tools, than actually using them. Tools can be books, booklets, brochures or classes. Gold is where you find it. Not where you THINK you can find it. I see that often when selling US Geological Survey books on Gold Mining Districts. Nobody buys the book on WHERE gold is already known to occur or within geologic areas where there is a scientific possibility. They believe the gold has already been picked up and packed out, wandering over TO the next mountain, or two mountain ranges away, for undiscovered riches just laying there for the picking it up. These professionals just missed it... from pure ignorance, of course. (This was Mark Twain's observation in the California Gold Country.)

    A true statement. A Petroleum Geologist makes his fortune discovering producing oil wells and loses the fortune looking for the gold mine others passed up as worthless. This fortune is then spent to prove the all the others... wrong, while spending a gold mine fortune for a worthless hole in the ground.

    A gaming book gives you examples of gamblers WINNING, but leaves out where this "winning can be practiced" to do it yourself at a friendly Casino table no cost and with all details intact.

    I have read some of Frank Scoblete articles in Gambling Times (I believe the name). It is what dreams are made of and he does a masterful job tossing out the dream. Reality is where we all live within. You can dream of panning an ounce of fine gold from Nelson, Nevada, but it will take a lifetime to do it. Sometimes it is best to read the stories when you have lost your own confidence at the tables. A book by John Scarne only impresses onto you that the Casino games are already rigged against your long term winning schemes taken from print.

    See the "Live Video in Real Time" at no cost to you. Stand at a Craps Table that is winning. Watch the wagers. Watch the shooter and outcomes. Make mental notes. Write your own book of winners. Then... step over to the majority of losing tables and do the same.

    Which book sells best?

    The Gold Miner's version or the Dice Controller's version? They are the same. When you understand this, maybe once you have finished a book written by someone else, did you learn more by watching a live table and making mental notes? Or, by reading a book taken from the same sources... disregarding the frequent losers, or the infrequent winners, and usually temporary ones at that, of this world?

    I have not owned or read a copy of Mr. Scoblete's books. So I speak from ignorance of the books, but speak from experience at no cost to yourself. Read, comprehend and discuss with a trusted unbiased friend. Then make a mental note if the value received was worth the value paid. Good luck and I do wish books sales at the Gaming shops to be vigorous and a sell out.
     
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  14. betwthelines, Oct 6, 2015

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    the following is but idle musings and should not be construed as a "retort" to sevenout's post (to which, in fact, i clicked a "like")...

    the gold miner is outdoors, often in wilderness, usually beautiful country...fresh air...almost always engaged in a healthy exercise...most of them, and all of them that persist in it, enjoy immensely the experience...the health peoples would probably tell you that it is a good thing...

    the dice controller and i would add craps players in general are inside, standing, more or less, without much exercise, often, maybe usually, in a tobacco smoke-filled environment...most of them, and all of them that persist in it, enjoy immensely the experience...the health peoples would probably either say nothing or advise it may not be the best activity to indulge in for lengthy periods...the "drill sargeant" contingent of the the health peoples would tell you to stop...

    both groups share a common goal: to make money or even to strike it rich...neither group succeeds in this very often at all...but all of them, save the unhealthy and misguided addicted ones, view the investments as worth the risks...

    both groups enjoy the experience immensely...

    who can make a value judgment regarding either?

    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
    -g. geist: the anti-gambling crowd makes value judgments
    --tom p: it was a rhetorical question
    ---g. geist:
    ----tom p:
    -----g. geist:
    ------tom p: besides, plenty of peoples make value judgments
    -------g. geist: don't be naive: everyone does...
    -------tom p: ok, Mr Philosopher, you are right...
    ---------g. geist:
     
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  15. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 7, 2015

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    Meanwhile, back to the article, ...

    House advantage (HA) is widely accepted as THE metric to use to compare bets to each other. Ceteris paribus such comparisons are valid, but (technically) only in that one session you play before dying are all other things equal. Comparisons for shorter time periods need to recognize just what the HA is, namely the portion of a player's action the house expects to keep. As Frank points out, total action in a given time period depends on the rate at which a bet resolves. (I had to point this out to Jerry "Stickman" a while back: http://stickman.casinocitytimes.com/article/additional-information-on-the-field-bet-59676.)

    Another situation where HA can present a false picture is when "time is of the essence". The player who wants to get in and out quickly might prefer a game -- craps and roulette are the only ones I can think of off hand -- that provide opportunities to make a spread of bets that has a better than 50-50 chance of winning something regardless of the HA of such a spread.

    "Liars figure but figures don't lie." True IF you know what the figures are saying.
     
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  16. wonko33, Oct 9, 2015

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    Oh man when you get a SevenOut reply followed by a Betweenthelines one you know you are in for some long readin. Hold my calls I'm going to the Johns
     
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  17. SevenOut, Oct 9, 2015

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    Sometimes, one's entire knowledge of a subject can be expressed in one or two incomplete sentences.

    Experience and knowledge of Craps is not a one paragraph explanation. Many do not understand Craps, so prefer to sit on a toilet seat and think about how good the buffet was the night before. Others... wash their hands because the chips cashed in earlier, might have what chips the losers left at the table.

    Just giving anyone a hard time who have difficulty reading the Wall Street Journal and crying that there is too much information for anyone investing to understand. In that event... you should NOT be investing in anything but your hygiene and keep the cash under a mattress. Craps is not any different.
     
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