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  1. Liman

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    Check your betting strategy
    You approach this game like it's fixed
    So why do you approach it at all!
    Makes
    Zero sense to me
    It's always the ones that never win who refuse to acknowledge they play a poor strategy or at least higher house advantage bets that complain about everything on these electronic games
    My experiences are equal
    I don't give a rats ass if you put a Toyota or a brick that knock dice all over the place
    The results are random and I bet and rely on that
    Hard table soft table microfiber plastic
    I don't care random is random
    If for a second I thought dice were fixed I'd never play ever never
     
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    I do NOT play the Aruze bubble, and from what I observe, almost nobody else does either. I believe the reason so many won’t play this game, is the same reason I won’t play it. There is some manipulation of the dice, by the machine, period. This is my opinion, they will not let me dismantle the machine, to try to prove anything. It has nothing to do with win or lose. You say “your experiences are equal”. Maybe that’s true, but, if true, would not necessarily mean the game is straight, would it?
     
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    are we going to rehash this point over a million times?
    youve made it clear you think the game is corrupt.
    Ive been playing aruze and interblock bubbles since 2012? I find them actually better than live tables as far as accuracy, and tons of other little shits like adjacent players, bad attitude dealers, shit box people, nasty pit bosses, poor dealer knowledge of payouts....and so and so on.
    I do enjoy live craps mainly, lately, because the odds are much better at live tables and for me the way I play, its important

    so you dont see players at bubbles?

    well, half the craps tables it seems in america dont have players most of the daytime, and Im amazed how many dont even open till noon, or 2 pm.....and then dealers stand there, maybe a player or two mosey over.....tie them in with the endless number of card tables where dealers stand most of the day without a soul playing......now take a bubble....noone has to work it....most casinos who install them have the space so its not an issue.....doesnt matter if one or two players mosey over.....they have zero labor costs....and most bubbles I play at have worse odds and lower pays on some bets...and bigger limits.on some bets its an all around win for the casinos......I was amazed that every big casino I just visited last month had one or multiple bubbles. Look at stadium seating.....they put one blackjack dealer......so what if only 3 people or 2 people are playing.....when the casino is busy shes dealing 20 people......half the tables in casinos are closed, and so many just have the dealer standing there fiddling their thumbs.

    its such a win win for the casinos.......and lets look at this new version, the new aruze table with all the lights that you actually roll dice, whatever its called....now they offer a real feel craps experience...and with one hour training, they can put a 10 year old with a tiny bit of computer knowledge to run it.....imagine how long it takes to train dealers for craps and all the payouts in real time......the mistakes we all see, daily.....it must cost the casino dearly, because noone ever says to the dealer, hey, you paid me 22 dollars too much.....no, that rarely happens.

    so theres places like new buffalo, 4 winds.....cant get near the craps table, and the electronic table, with the roll the dice....is even harder to get on.....theres one schmagegie dealers who probably knows little about payouts...yets he running a table with 10 players.....10 players all fucking night.....granted.....its not always like that....but thats the point.....craps is never that crowded either only on weekends or nighttime.....and then they are paying 3 dealers, a boxman, some pit to watch over things...and they know they are still gettting fucked by mistakes....mistakes made by dealers that they are paying medical and whatever else.

    so you may think some of these games are corrupt.....me.....I think the casinos realize how lucky they are to have them....no staff.....pay a person or two to change out compuiter boards or reset them now and then......and its open 24 hours a day......no sick time.....no closed till noon.......never worry about enough dealers.......and then lower the odds and payouts worse then the live tables......yeah....they are here to stay......and after last month......noone will ever convince me they are corrupt.....not intentionally......I won 8 out of 10 times I played.....not big wins.....but I left with more money on the ticket than I put in.....and it didnt cost the casino zilch in overtime or medical.

    blackjack, baccarat, and now I see the stadiums with the big wheel included...for people who know nothing about gambling, but just want to have fun.....not that any craps players know more than them anyway......but they play a game with 30 percent house advantage......
     
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    OK, Liman, Let’s “set the record straight”. It was YOU that brought me into this fray. You mentioned me by name in your post. You are the one that said that I need to rethink all of my theories on bubbles and RTW craps. Well, I did, and I still come-up with the same answer. I believe that at least some of the rolls in both games, are “contrived” to some degree. It is NOT one thing, but numerous things that lead to this conclusion. A guy that plays a standard way like you do, may not be effected adversely, as I believe the machine is designed to recognize “systems players”, and shoot them down. I’ve said before, the low limits, and ability to bet any amount, along with the privacy of your own touchscreen would seem to make these contraptions the ideal setting, for systems players. My statistical analysis, is far from complete, and may not show any big anomaly’s, as I believe, that any fix, would be “dynamic”, so as to be able to target ANY situation that might arise. The fix in the Aruze bubble is so obvious, I can’t believe any casino would have one on their floor. It just looks really bad, and the ones I’m familiar with, are getting VERY sparse play.
    I’m sure the casinos would love to replace the standard table games, if they can still get the same action. The Roll to Win game has a chance to replace a lot of standard tables. Four dealers could deal three tables, instead of just one table. One pit guy could probably handle 9 tables, instead of 9 pit guys for one table. Much better game for the casino I’m sure. The fix may not be part of the game itself, but done with separate software and hardware, where no rules apply. You told me to rethink it, I did, and this is what I think. :cool:
     
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    Full of shit, yes. Trolls to get reaction and cause controversy about “glaring discrepancy” because he’s ignorant of the game and needs new posts. Keeps it a mystery to add drama and superiority of his knowledge (which is also BS).
    Everyone knows my opinion: Jerk!
     
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    Duck when you think you have any obvious data or actual substantial proof of aruze game being corrupt post it up

    I've taken notice over the years of how players at bubble when I'm there are betting
    Most bet positive which leads me to think how easy to corrupt the rolls and outcome

    then I have a session like I just had at 4 winds where I was down 100 and all of us at bubble were looking for the point
    And the rolls were nonstop without a seven and we all cleaned up
    Yes one roll doesn't mean much but I haven't noticed any trends where the machine seems to go against what most players are betting
    I see non difference then average table
    Actually I find bubbles give longer rolls
     
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    Wish I knew who did the Ducks roadmap. I'd tell them he loves the roll to win game and wishes he was assigned to it more often.
     
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    What took you so long Ma’am? :confused: I don’t claim superiority of knowledge, but I might just be a more astute observer, than most. I don’t really “need” new posts, I’m posting for those that might want a second opinion. What’s your contribution Ma’am? :cool:
     
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    It’s possible that there are “straight” machines in some places. The bubble machines I’ve played are definitely NOT. I’m not the only one that sees it that way either.
    If I find something definitive, I most likely won’t post it, I would not want to aid them in hiding anything. I know about 6 truths, that when added together, do NOT leave any other plausible answer but, a corrupt game. :cool:
     
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    Exposing your BS and your ignorance.
    You should apologize to Liman for making such a stink about his post when it was your ignorance of the game that caused it.
     
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    No, Ma’am, I will not. I don’t feel that I have anything to apologize FOR. Liman took a little shot at me in that post, so I feel that I needed to “stand my ground”. His explanation was plausible, but, I’ve played this thing for at least 75 buy-ins, and many of those were in the “first base” seat, where I had a good view of what the dealer was doing on his screen. It appears to me that dealer inputs the roll, verifies it, at which time the machine pays out winning bets, and then automatically opens the betting window, with no help from the dealer. The betting window, though probably changeable, is preset, and not under dealer control. Once timed out, I have never seen it reopened, by the dealer, or anybody else. I didn’t really make a BIG stink, just said that there was a “glaring discrepancy”, and there was. For now, I consider the matter closed, but I’ll seek further verification, as soon as I get a chance. Until then FU Ma’am. :cool:
     
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    FU too. I knew you reacted to his post to find an insulting response to his comment which bruised your oversized ego. You’re a sick person.
     
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    The post was not intended to be insulting, just seeking clarification, that’s all, nothing more. It was all of you suck-ups, that made a big deal about it. He didn’t bruise my ego, not in the least. If I post that there is something wrong with a dice game, you can bet your ass, I have very good reasons to say so. Maybe I’m a sick person, but that does not change what the facts are. The truth is what it is, and my mission, is to find the truth, and make it known.
     
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    Your mission? WTF! You’re a deciple of the craps God?
     
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    duck, forget this post and your problems with other posters......something that I dont quite understand.......me personally,,,,,,if I find any dealer, any game, any casino, even any hotel not up to my expectations? standards? Id never play there.......you mentioned dozens of buy ins and you seem you really dislike the format and the opaque dice whre you play? why do you keep playing this type of game? if you despise it so much, or feel its compromised, why 6 dozen buy ins? a simple question...thats all
     
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    thought Id mentiuon, prarie meadows sent me offers today, sent my wife less offers,
    they offered me until aug 31 free rooms, or then 99 dollars a room. and 20 dollars free play....there were lots of other things I didnt bother to look as I dont usually bother with contests or other things....and I only mentnion this for one reason.....anyone that plays at a casino and might visit there again.....why not have a players card? thats all.
     
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    The buy-ins are to set-up scenarios, the results of which, help me determine what the limitations are, (if any). It’s what I do, I try to exploit, a fix, if I can.
     
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    Because privacy is worth more than “beads and trinkets” to some people, that’s why. :cool:
     
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    Yeah, this game is gonna be real popular with dealers, isn’t it? Many of them make it pretty obvious, they don’t like it.
     
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    FU :p arschloch.
     
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