# Seminole Hard Rock, Tampa

Discussion in 'Craps Stories & Trip Reports' started by badddoin, Sep 10, 2021.

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Why don’t you just say “I don’t know what an algorithm is or I don’t know how to define one”?

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2. von duck, Sep 20, 2021

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For this discussion, it doesn’t even matter what a algorithm is. We are not talking about how the number is generated, but rather, what can be done with the number after it’s generated. You are just trying to make yourself look smart, and let’s face it, you ain’t that smart. Anybody can google up a piece of information. ”algorithm” “chi square” FU.

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You obviously don’t know that an algorithm IS what will be done with the generated number.
You’re thinking is messed up.

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4. von duck, Sep 20, 2021

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Show us all an algorithm taking a generated number, and doing something with it.

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Is the generated number the point? Yes. Reject it and generate a new number. Then start over.
Is the generated number a 7? Yes. Keep it.
Is the generated number not a 7 and not the point?
Keep it.
This is better done with a flow chart if you’re coding.

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6. von duck, Sep 20, 2021

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Which one is the algorithm?

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The whole thing, Dummy. You’re lying and trolling.
Oh, wait maybe you are ignorant.
Pearls before swine!

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8. von duck, Sep 20, 2021

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I’m trolling? I think in this particular case, YOU would be the troll ma’am.

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Man, are you fucked up!

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Motel 69 has the light on!

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11. bonetek, Sep 23, 2021

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Anyone who does not believe in the trustworthiness of casinos will
prefer a hand-dealt deck in Blackjack and ditto with a craps toss.
If an algorithm were to alter the way cards/decks were shuffled in a
shuffle machine or electronic BJ, or
If a craps algo were to inject a seven at a casino-friendly moment, then

there simply is no "easy" way to prove that there was such subterfuge.

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12. von duck, Sep 23, 2021

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Hand dealt is no guarantee of honesty.

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13. Bases loaded, Sep 23, 2021

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I played a version of 'electronic dice' at New York racinos.

Monticello closed down when the full scale Resorts World casino opened.

Saratoga and Yonkers also had the game. Haven't been to those racinos in years.

The game was low stakes and relatively fast, so was fun to play with no table craps option available.

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14. Bases loaded, Sep 23, 2021

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I believe the electronic game relies on a 'pseudo' random number generator. Meaning a computer algorithm determines the next 'dice roll'.

Pseudo RNG's are close, but not completely random.

Physical dice rolls are a true RNG.

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15. von duck, Sep 23, 2021

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Yes physical dice rolls ARE a true RNG. IFF the dice are true. If you see something like, I don’t know, OPAQUE DICE, then red flags should be raised. There would have to be a reason.

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You have serious paranoia.

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I don’t think it’s “paranoia” Ma’am. Cation and vigilance should always be your companions, at a casino, especially an Indian casino where little or no oversight is generally the rule. If I tell people that I believe a game has problems, then you can bet that I have damned good reason to say it.

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Very paranoid.
But on the good side: just because you’re paranoid does’t mean they’re not out to get you.

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I went down there Wednesday. Played about 5-6 hours I reckon. Was down as much as \$1000 at one point. Ground back to down \$257, and called it a day.

Heading back down tomorrow. Should be there in the morning, till . . .

Give it a shot, DeMango. I'll be the longhair wearing a black, long-sleeved, pocket tshirt with nothing on it (it's all I ever wear).

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