Okay, you are the shooter

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  1. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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    Okay, you are the shooter, what is the best way for you to make money when you are shooting?

    No TDV, this question is not for you, hell you have to be told to push the button!
     
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  2. Mssthis1, Jul 1, 2019

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    The answer to that question is going to be different for everyone depending on how much they play, bankroll, risk tolerance, and what they're looking for out of the game to name a few.

    For me the best way is a pass line bet with max odds, buy the 10, and 2 come bets.

    Since I prefer more action than that I start with a $10 pass line bet or higher if the table min dictates it, $25 odds, $135 across and continuous come bets. First four hits are same bet and then it's press, press collect after that. Sometimes I'll do a mid hand regression if I'm behind, hit my win goal, or sometimes just because my gut tells me to. All naturals on the pass line are pressed at least 50% or more until I get to $150 flat and it's whatever I feel like doing that particular instant after that.

    I don't recommend the way I play but it works for me. If you cant afford or stomach 5 figure bankroll swings, don't even think about it. Thar's the part very few people get. There's no magic pill that works for everyone.

    The person I always remember who I felt had the best craps game I've seen is the retired guy who plays at Sam's Town. Buys in for a small amount when they have $3 games and plays some sort of strung out negative progression on 1 DP bet.

    He's happy making a few buck and getting free drinks and if you're happy with your play that's the only thing that matters. If it ain't fun its time to run.
     
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  3. tabletop123, Jul 1, 2019

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    Wait for a guy named Superricktoyou to come waltzing into the Casino, & bet the Mortgage on his stellar shooting.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jul 1, 2019

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    No question, mssthis. I think this post is 100% spot on.

    No one can really assess your risk level, your comfortable betting maximums and minimums or your ultimate goal at the table.

    Advice of any kind can be a bit of a red herring. It can unintentionally lead someone to making wagers or taking risk that they aren’t comfortable with or simply it isn't geared to their end goals.

    I’ve really developed a to each his own as it relates to this sort of thing.

    It’s akin to buying a book for someone. You usually buy a book you want them to read as opposed to something they want to read. Gambling is a very personal thing.

    Well, I'll answer anyway....

    Without knowing any other info about the player other than "you are the shooter".....best way to make money is a don't pass bet. Win and walk.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Jul 1, 2019

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    On the money Mssthis1! You are describing some serious action with approx $175 at risk from the start. Depending on the point and on which of your place/buys hits, a winner gets you $35-$80. You win on everything excepts craps, but the Come winner seven costs you nearly everything. As you know, it's a gamble.

    You are so right about the bankroll swings. There are times when you are raking it in, but unfortunately other times when the seven shows way too soon.
     
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    I think you and bases loaded would really get along at a table. He likes to load up the bases. One decent roll without pressing too heavy could be a huge win.

    me, I look for 10 or better odds, the lower the min, the better off for me. ideal situation for me, one dollar min bet, with 100 times odds, but I haven't found that....3 dollar mins with 20 times odds, yes.
    min flat bet, full odds, then 2 come bets same thing. if min is 10 dollars, and over 10 times odds, I might have to start with 5 times odds, and only progess on odds as I win until I max out odds then and only then increase flat bets by no more than 2-5 dollars with max odds again. Once in a while, more often lately, Ive been playing 5 or 10 dollar hard sixes....not sure why, its a sucker bet, but I like seeing how close I can land the chip into the hard six box when I toss it in. Lilke horseshoes, or bocce.
    my betting style often commented on by dealers, is boring yet effective. and many times while the table is choppy, Im standing there with my bankroll intact while others have left empty or reaching into their pockets again. Deviation is a no no in my book. Once I commit to a betting strategy, nothing can change it, live and die with it, and afer 40 years, its worked fine for me.
     
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  7. James Hall, Jul 1, 2019

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    Over the time I have been on this forum I have seen and
    read a lot about comfort zones and making bets you are comfortable with.
    Although it has a tendency to "TORQUE some peoples JAWS"
    I like the comparisons between sports and what we can learn from
    them and how those things can help us build a better game in craps.
    In sports , say track as an example , a runner spends very little if any time at all
    in his COMFORT ZONE , to win / to be a champion he must have
    the ability to , "Kick" to reach a little deeper , he must have the ability
    and the "guts" to go beyond his comfort zone. Champions in any
    endeavor spend little or no time at all in their comfort zone

    With craps the situation is pretty much the same , when the time is right
    the craps player must abandon or at least reduce caution go outside
    his comfort zone to have any hope for a big win.

    He must always be sure to control his losses but
    he must also be prepared to take advantage of any opportunity
    that exposes itself. Being on the front of a trend / streak as an
    example and playing it to the end is a great way to beat the game.
    At any rate that is and what has been working for me.

    Craps like many other things is a competition , you against the house.
     
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  8. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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    TableTop you don't have a clue, but I"m happy that you have something to do every day trying to cut others down, but I'm not going to put up with your bullshit you don't play craps if you ever even did!

    You once asked for my help and I gave it to you over the phone you kept telling me and the Wizard that you were coming to Vegas to play craps and the check was always in the mail to the Wizard which never showed up so cut the BS and stop attacking guys you never met!

    You posted that what I helped you with had you winning then you went on the attack after getting my help. It was nice to see the true Top come out in you, now we all know what kind of a guy you are!
     
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  9. TDVegas, Jul 1, 2019

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    Excellent, Liman. My bet handle is obviously much lower than yours....but I like your style. I think more frustrating than losing with a strategy is losing with a strategy that switches from right side to dark side to right side...and mis-timing and getting beat up on both sides.

    Can't do $3 and $20 odds. Best I can get you is $1 and $5 odds at GVR. You already know that.

    While I don't want to impugne other players strategy....there have been so many times that I'm last man standing when things are going bad and I'm surrounded by place bettors. Then....it switches, usually too late for them as they've already exited the bubble looking for an ATM.

    When it's a hot roll. They'll clean up. When not, it goes fast.

    I was at Parx a couple weeks ago. Visited family and they wanted to go. Nice casino. Fairly big.
     
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  10. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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    Mssthis1, anybody should be happy with their play if they are winning. But you could play a lot better game than you are playing by changing the way you are betting.

    The sad thing is that most players are set in their ways and will not change how they are playing. If you have the bankroll and don't mind giving the casinos your money just have fun doing so!

    Nobody on this board is going to change the way you play. One reason for that is you attack others that you never saw in a casino playing craps or shooting!
    I wouldn't come on a craps board and say that you are not winning the way you play, hell I don't even know if you play real craps you just might be like the button pusher that thinks it funny to attack anyone that says they can win!
    Most of the time I'm in Vegas but I do travel a lot next time you're here I would like to meet you. You see I do that with the guys on the different craps board. Hell, I may have been on a table if you play real craps with you before without you even knowing it!
    I'm not afraid of anyone that posts on these board and have met up with all kinds of players just because I like what they posted.

    You do not have to be a DI to win at the game of craps but you better know how to bet the game and there will always be days that you will lose and there is nothing that you can do about that!
    Billy and James have both said the same thing unless you find something that you can take out of context and you don't post the link to what was written just like TDV does all of the time!

    The real question here is do you want to win or just call others that you have never met names?

    Hell, you have money from what I've been told you may think about taking the little Joe Class that is coming up here in Vegas on the 27 and 28 of this month, Pm me if you want some information about it.

    That class would teach you a lot about the game of craps and shooting the dice! There is a lot for really good players around Vegas but most guys would never see them playing because they will not play when the tables are full!

    I"m a small time player with very small buy-ins if I can't make money off of a small buy-in I should just be home with the wife or out in the desert doing my thing out there! There is more to Vegas that just the casinos.
    The one thing none of you guys can understand is you don't need big moeny to play craps and win. It might even pay you to stop off and see Jame I know some guys that have done that and learned a lot from him!

    Get off of the BandWangon that you are on if you want to learn how to win! You will never hearn how to win from a guy that only know how to push the button or just let the machine time out!
     
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  11. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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    Liman, I hear that place betting is the wrong thing to do and you are going to lose by doing so because you will run out of money before someone using full odds on the pass line or someone that is come betting. Well, that would happen if you use your head! If you are getting beat you don't throw good money at something that is not working. No, you reduce your betting to weather the storm!

    But as I've already said if it's working for you just keep doing it!
     
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  12. lone irish digit, Jul 1, 2019

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    This is Barney

    I know the LID will be pisses off when he reads this because I have never played the game of craps but if I was tosser of the dices there are only two ways I could make the monies. First, I would try to sell some of our DI apparel and during the game I would bet what table was giving me. With this strategy how could I lose.
     
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  13. Mssthis1, Jul 1, 2019

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    Yes, I realize I'm trading long term profit for fun with the place bets, I should make just the pass line bet or a 3 point Mollie but, money isn't the primary reason I play craps, If it was only for the money I'd put the bankroll back into the business and make an extra 50 grand or so a year with it that way.



    No thanks. I feel my game is advance beyond anything they have to offer.

    I prefer a table for 1 so that is true.


    TDV does that very well. If someone came to me and wanted to know how to consistently win with a $100 bankroll, I'd tell them to go home and save some money or play bubble craps. At a regular table there's no way you can consistently win with $100 bank. Normal variance will eventually get you unless you happen to defy power ball winning type odds.
     
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    I thought you meant red rock, and I remember the odds on their bubble sucked, 2 times only? gvr and sunset offer 5 times odds, good game. I can sit with 100 dollars to wind down or wind up at 6 am for my day, and make enough money for lunch or a late night snack. Its also easy to get up and leave if I drop 50 bucks and not feel like a loser, walk with a get you later attitude. for 30 years I played video poker to unwind, never much success, these dollar bubbles out west are fabulous and offer a great game, with a much better shot at winning money then video poker.

    ah man, next time you are on east coast and are thinking about parx, text me, Im a free man, I can make a night down there. with a few hours notice, not driving down in rush hour.

    if I lived in Henderson or summerlin, trust me, going into a casino 5 times a week, Id be playing dollars at the bubble with 5 times odds, giving me action without the chance of getting hurt

    speaking about station casinos, they are now offering us rooms basically free, or up to 29 dollars a night, 99 on weekends. Im guessing the locals arent doing their share, and they need to keep the casino more crowded. when I asked them for freebies, they busted my balls, Im not sure if they get it, if Im going to travel to gamble, Ill go to a casino that welcomes me with open arms and free rooms and food. Everything with station casinos is a tuff sell, and then the pool only open on weekends last time we were there really pissed me off. 90 degrees and pool is closed. really?
     
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    Some people actually believe that to be true.
     
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    I stopped addressing halls posts, but for new players here that might read this.
    guts has no place in craps.
    people who play with guts go broke fast.
    craps has nothing at all to do or related to any sport.
    the only way I can see in a tiny miniscule way related to any sport, is if one wants to do a long 6 hour session at a table, you need to be in decent shape to stand there for 6 straight hours., other than that, skill at a craps table is a fantasy, promoted by people who sell things that are not and have never been proven.
     
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  17. TDVegas, Jul 1, 2019

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    Yes, I believe both GVR and sunset offer 5x odds. Red Rock does not. Inexplainable...unless they figured out I'm beating them and they are trying to limit my wins;)
    You got it. It was a spur of the moment thing.
    +1.
    I've been getting the offers myself. Summer slow down I guess. I think what ends up happening here is not that the occupancy dips that much...but it's more families with little ones coming in and less gambling for the adults. They turn to players they know are going to gamble and offer up discount rooms.
     
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  18. superricktoyou, Jul 1, 2019

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    Sunset no longer has the bubble machine, so you won't be going there anymore the guys that loved to play two consoles for points killed that game! You would think that some of these guys would wise up but that's not the case they are going to ride something right into the ground!

    It's called moving your game around don't sit in the casino 10 hours a day trying to make points play the game for money!
     
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  19. tabletop123, Jul 1, 2019

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    That's correct, Tricky Ricky. You DON'T have to put up with my bullshit. ESPECIALLY on a Craps forum wherein you can PRETEND to be the boogie man. The Big, bad, wolf.

    So...in closing...DON'T continue to address my bullshit ON THIS FORUM. IF ya got something to say to me....BE A MAN, & either call me, or PM me.

    It certainly doesn't take much to be a Bully/gangster over the internet.

    Regarding Linaway.....It WON'T happen!!!!! You won't get me to say ANYTHING negative about him, or his work....so stop trying.

    Linaway has my number. Since you are so concerned about our dealings...have him call me.

    One thing that I have noticed about you FROM DAY ONE....is ........AS LONG as someone is with your agenda, & allows you to be the LEADER, the " Go to" man......everything is all peachy & Rosie.
    At the FIRST sign of dissension.....you begin with the ( behind the back, back-stabbing) name-calling , " Asshole, Moron, low-life nonsense. Don't know HOW you didn't get your head peeled for talking about someone's wife in the manner that you did. LUCKY YOU!!!!!

    To worsen matters THOSE THAT YOU SEE weekly, daily, ALLOW that Bullshit to go on with total impunity.
    As TD says: " Mind Boggling"!

    You wait until ( G) gets back home from Vegas, & ya want to call him every name in the book. Funny, how you NEVER said a word TO HIS FACE!!!!

    At any rate....ya got a problem with me? You've got my number. If not....I'll PM it to you.
    Don't want to settle this bullshit like adults? Then, simply ignore my posts. Easy PEASY.
     
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    LOL...no wonder the guy that used to live there 24/7 on that machine is now at Red Rock 24/7. I was wondering why I've been seeing him whenever I'm there.

    You could show up at 10am.....2pm.....8pm.....11pm.....2am....this guy is there playing. Comical. I guess he enjoys it. Maybe a widower. Maybe 70'ish, white hair, beard.

    LOL...they pulled his machine. He must have to drive a bit to get up here. Literally 24/7 player.
     
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