November 22, 1963

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  1. MisterInside, Nov 22, 2021

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    I was in the 7th grade. I attended St Matthews elementary school in Baltimore. The northeast Baltimore neighborhood was so heavily populated that kids attended school in split shifts, 8-12 or 1215-415, reversing at mid year. I had a paper route starting in the 4th grade and the Nuns accommodated my request to always attend 8-12. We probably learned more in four hours than public school kids learned in seven hours. Delivering papers made me interested in current events. As a family, we ate dinner together and watched the evening news together every night. The Kennedy mystique and being a Roman Catholic certainly endeared him to our family.

    At 1:30 pm EST, I was playing basketball with Sam, a lifelong friend who lived 3 doors away. We were playing H-O-R-S-E behind Bill’s house, another lifelong friend. Sam and Bill still live in the Baltimore area and I still see them when I am in MD. We talk regularly. I talked to Bill today and Sam yesterday. My Dad was a mailman, Sam’s was a barber and a bookie, Bill’s Dad fixed furnaces. Sam’s Dad and I connected, especially talking horses when I started working at the track in 1967. Another neighbor was a milkman, two worked the Bethlehem Steel plant. That was Middle America in 1963. It was a great environment in which to grow up. Largely Catholic, entirely White.

    In the middle of our game, Bill’s Mom, Miss Dot, suddenly came outside and yelled to her neighbor, Mrs Sorrentino, “Rose, the President has been shot.” She had been watching As The World Turns. I asked Miss Dot if I could come inside to watch. Naturally, she obliged and I saw Walter Cronkite pick up the live TV coverage.

    A few hours later when I delivered my 165 papers, there were three different editions mixed. One headline said, Kennedy Visiting Dallas Texas….one said Kennedy Shot….one said Kennedy Assassinated.

    I wasn’t much of a reader then or now. I read the news and sports but I wasn’t a book worm like my author brother. But, even at that early age, I couldn’t get enough about 11-22-63. I was at the local newsstand awaiting the arrival of Life Magazine as they had sole possession of the Zapruder film which chronicled the assassination. As I recall, initially Life published the Zapruder frames in black and white. Color images came out weeks later in a Commemorative issue. It took years for conspiracy theories to pop up and they’ve been around ever since. They are all bullshit. Oswald acted alone. I’ve read many of the books and have visited Dealey Plaza three times.

    It remains, to me, the greatest historical event of my lifetime. The world really changed after that horrific day.

    What were you guys doing on 11-22-1963?
     
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    I was 8 but I remember only I went inside because noone was outside and my mother wouldnt let me go outside to play anymore, she yelled at me while she was either crying or finished crying, at least thats what I remember. At 8, it didnt have much meaning to me then.
     
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  3. lone irish digit, Nov 22, 2021

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    This is Barney

    The LID and I were in Las Vegas when that young President was shot. I was 46 1/2 and the LID was in his 20s. I was staying on the strip at the Bonanza Hotel and when I first heard of the shooting I was in the bedroom showing my goat to two nice casino chicks.

    The LID was recovering from a night on the town with Willie Nelson (he was headlining a show probably at the Golden Nugget but I might be misremembering where exactly as well as with Ann Margaret who was in town shilling an Elvis movie or something. It was a very depressing time for the LID since he was also good friends with Marilyn who was rubbed out the previous year
     
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  4. von duck, Nov 23, 2021

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    I remember that day like it was yesterday. I was 9 years old, in 4th grade I Orlando Florida. Just one of those days you never will forget.
    To say that Oswald acted alone, is to ignore some very obvious discrepancies. The difficulty of the shot, nobody among the best marksman in the world, could duplicate it. You saw the Zapruder film , Kennedy’s brain was blown out of his head, why would any doctor perform a tracheotomy, on somebody that no longer had a brain? No, it is very unlikely that Oswald acted alone, may not even have known what his part was, until after it happened. We’ll never know what happened that day. But, he was an absolutely perfect “Patsy”. Just a little too perfect.
     
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  5. lone irish digit, Nov 23, 2021

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    This is Barney

    The Duck's paranoia is justified. The LID has an unedited copy of a Zubruter film which shows a second gunman, in front of motorcade on grassy nole, aiming and putting down his scoped rifle. I'll try to find it in the barn and post on forum of the crap
     
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  6. lone irish digit, Nov 23, 2021

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  7. von duck, Nov 23, 2021

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    Not paranoia, just a lot of very difficult ,unanswered, questions, and they never will be answered.
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Nov 23, 2021

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    What questions are difficult?????? JFK is dead, and that is the answer to all the questions
    and that wont change no matter what questions continue to be answered. We cant even
    count our votes, decide where a virus comes from , stop a war without getting more vets killed
    or understand what a border is for. Our current leader cant walk 10 steps quickly without falling
    down, our second leader laughs at every question because she does not know the answer and the
    third in line thinks it makes America better keeping the home less, and drug pushers on main street
    so they dont bother her where she lives.

    and we have ducky, who is worried about the grassy knoll ?????? you may as well care about who shot
    liberty Valiance

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D9C70E4B401043D7BB4DD9C70E4B4010&&FORM=VDRVRV

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  9. von duck, Nov 23, 2021

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    Some of us ( you for one) are too damned weak, to seek the truth. That’s the problem, in a nutshell, complacently. It does not matter that Kennedy cannot be brought back to life, the TRUTH still needs to be known! Look at yourself, not enough that want to hide from the truth, you’re offended, that I want to know the truth. :confused:
     
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  10. Settingcanthurt, Nov 23, 2021

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    I was a innocent 4th grader. They sent all home from school at lunch break. I recall hanging on the grape vines in my back yard, really big old vines on a ten foot trellis. Just wondering why any one would assassinate the President. So young and innocent even when the teachers put a Kennedy pin on my shirt to wear home the year he was elected.

    I too visited the triangle. Walked out all the areas in question. Seemed to me the place was perfect for a ambush. The killer head shot came from the street / curb level sewer which I looked into. Plenty of room to hold a man with a rifle. My vote was two or three shooters.

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weis...s/K Disk/Kennedy John F JFK Today/Item 01.pdf
     
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  11. von duck, Nov 24, 2021

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    I was also a forth grader, but I was a guilty forth grader. :)
    Can’t say where the headshot came from, but it appears to me, it came from the front. I do not believe the “magic bullet” ever hit Kennedy or Connelly. I’d like to know who laid-out the parade route. I’d also like to know exactly how Oswald came to be working at the school book depository. I’ve ridden through daily plaza, but did not get out and study the crime scene. Sort of wound up there by accident, and said to myself, “wait a minute, I know this place”. Little bit of an eerie feeling.
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Nov 24, 2021

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    Look around you man, no one wants the truth, no one beleives the truth because
    everyone wants VALIDATION FOR THEIR TRUTH....

    you have already decided what truth you will beleive, Setting has decided what truth he
    will beleive about the election, Americans of both sides know the truth they want from
    the jury.

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  13. lone irish digit, Nov 24, 2021

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  14. MisterInside, Nov 24, 2021

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    I was stunned by the closeness of Dealey Plaza. Everything is much closer together that I imagined. The distance from the overpass to the grassy knoll to the TSBD building. I know that I disagree with most of you about who/how it happened. My opinion was solidified by the tightness of the scene. Seems to me that a gunman in the grassy knoll could not possibly have gone unnoticed or could have escaped seconds afterwards.

    Imagine if Abraham Zapruder had not recorded the assassination. IMO, few would have believed the “single bullet theory” without frame-by-frame analysis.
     
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  15. von duck, Nov 24, 2021

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    What if the gunman was wearing a police uniform? :confused: No marksman has been found that could duplicate the headshot, from the TSBD widow. None, no matter how dead their eye. Oswald was probably a decent shot, but not world class. We all saw the shot, and we saw his brain spill out of his head. He died right there, in Daily plaza, not Parkland. Most can see that the headshot, came from the front, no matter how many, paid government “experts” try to convince us otherwise. There are way too many holes, in the whole “official story”. If you buy that story, and you except the evidence being “sealed” for 75 years, then you have no bitch, with anything that might be happening now.
     
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  16. MisterInside, Nov 24, 2021

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    The famous Mary Moorman photograph was taken simultaneous with the head shot that killed JFK. Conspirators claim that an image of “Badgeman” shows a uniformed officer holding a rifle displaying a muzzle flash. I never bought into that. You can Google the photo and decide for yourself. It’s a stretch to see a cop firing a rifle in that photo.

    Another theory is that the same photo shows a head above the stockade fence closer to the overpass. Speculation is that this shooter had a fake Secret Service ID that he showed to cops shortly after the assassination. Perhaps he ditched his rifle in the trunk of a nearby car. All Secret Service agents went to Parkland Hospital with Kennedy. None remained on site. This fueled that theory.

    Marksmen have duplicated Oswald’s shot on multiple occasions. Three shots. One miss, two hits. It wasn’t so much the marksmanship that was in question but the ability for the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle to fire 3 shots in 6 seconds. That has successfully been done as well.

    Ballistic evidence supports the Warren Commission report regarding JFK’s wounds, the single bullet theory and the Zapruder film.

    Assuming that I am wrong about this, how the hell could this remain a secret for 58 years? This isn’t Jimmy Hoffa. This conspiracy would involve more than a handful of people. Impossible to keep a lid on this and no death bed confessions.

    JFK was a great movie. Compelling but bullshit.
     
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  17. MisterInside, Nov 24, 2021

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    Mary Moorman photo.

    Badgeman supposedly Just north and barely east of the center of photo.

    Stockade assassin supposedly just to the right of the tree trunk behind the 3 men.

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  18. MisterInside, Nov 24, 2021

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    Blowup of Badgeman. Larger white spot is muzzle flash, smaller white spot left of that is his police badge.

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  19. MisterInside, Nov 24, 2021

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    Blowup of Stockade fence assassin. This shape next to the tree trunk is not there naturally.

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  20. von duck, Nov 24, 2021

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    This is what bothers me, with guys like you trying to examine tha evidence. It’s NOT three shots in six seconds, it’s only two, the first shot is loaded and ready, and starts the clock. The first shot, occupies no time at all. Of course its possible to get off two shots in six seconds, with that rifle. Then throw in Ruby, eliminating Oswald, and everything gets too damned convenient.
    Believe what you like, but I do t think Oswald fired the headshot. Nothing I believe, is based on the movie,
     
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