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  1. jeffspicoli6969, Aug 6, 2015

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    any strategies on handicapping horses?
     
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  2. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 6, 2015

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    Yes, and for $20, which is what I dropped yesterday while going 0-for-4, I'll send you mine.
     
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    no, but Ill share my best track story.

    early to mid 70s, yonkers, trotters.
    I wasn't much of a horse betting person, but my buddies went 4 nights a week.
    I don't recall the bets name, the one where you pick the winning horse in 6 races. Pick 6, maybe...I don't recall the bets name.
    I had the first 5 races won, the last race of the bet, a horse by the name of Skip by Night, such a heavy favorite.......not a horse in the race could come close to it...skip by night hasn't lost a race yet in that class, or whatever rating they put to it.
    the horse guys were congratulating me, the payout was 1200 and change, and I had it twice...........we went downstairs, I bought everyone a beer, all the experts told me the horse cannot lose, it was the best horse at the track that night.......sure enough, the horse breaks right out of the gate........a 50, or 60. or 70 to one longshot, Papa Herman wins the race.
    I didn't bet a horse race for 15 years after that.
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, Aug 7, 2015

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    There is a lot to handicapping horses. I could write a book.

    There is a lot to handicapping...you should consider: form, distance, weight, age,sex, speed, pace,class, jockey , trainers,track condition, track bias,reading between the lines, etc, etc. With the final check being the paddock check and post parade. A question you must ask is why did the trainer enter this particular horse in this particular race. You can write much on each of the items mentioned above. It's you against everyone else at the track and that's how the odds are set. Only 30% of favorites win....to see something about a horse/conditions that everyone else missed is very satisfying. Handicapping is a lot of work and only 5 % of people that go to the track are winners. I suggest buying one or two books on the subject of handicapping.

    Ultimately, like craps, it's not how many bets ( races) you win but how much money you win.

    50% of winning at the track is how you bet and money management.......the other 50% is handicapping. Learn to bet "savers" in case your primary bet loses ; learn how to bet exotics ; determine your maximum bet based upon your confidence level for each race. and how that money should be spread out.

    To be a good handicapper requires a lot of work......like craps, it's a tough game.

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  5. jeffspicoli6969, Aug 7, 2015

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    thanks, I look for horses to show and make a small profit, my goal is to double my money and get out or win 50% let say I bet with $2000 win $1000 walk out with $3000.
     
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    If you can do that consistently, stay the hell away from the craps table, and play the ponies.....retire to a little island, sit on the beach with a cold one, while the cute little Hula Girls cool you with their palm fans.

    That's what I would do!
     
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  7. basicstrategy777, Aug 7, 2015

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    Favorites to show doesn't require much handicapping skill. The payouts will be small so you will have to make significant bets to win 1000 dollars. And racing luck can hurt you.

    That's not my style but to each his own and good luck to you.

    777
     
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  8. UNDERCOVERDICETHUG, Aug 7, 2015

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    LOOMING IN THE SHADOWS......
    HEY BIG TEX MAYBE YOU COULD HANDICAPP A HORSE BY LETTING IT TAKE A FUCKIN DUMP IN YOUR BALL CAP WOULD THAT HELP???
     
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    Go check out the horses. Maybe one will kick you.lol
     
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    GO GET YOUR FUCKIN SHINEBOX OLD MAN!!!!
     
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    The Borgata Flash is in rare form tonight. Finished parking the cars?
     
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    the last guy that said that to Joe Petsche ended up as land fill in upstate NY.
     
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  13. jeffspicoli6969, Aug 10, 2015

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    Also a question on post position for example horses posted 1,2,3,4 are closer to the rail and horses 6,7,8,9,10 are further out do the inside horses have a better chance?
     
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  14. basicstrategy777, Aug 10, 2015

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    It depends.........You would think so as the inside horse runs a shorter distance to the finish line than an outside horse.

    The rail may be "dead" after it rains or at any other time as well. Horses that have post # 1 may be at a tremendous disadvantage that day.

    There are many factors that have a bearing on the outcome of a race, but NOTHING has more influence on a race than track bias. When a track plays in favor of speed horses, or for closers, for horses coming off the inside posts, or outside runners, everything----including class, recency and racing luck----becomes secondary to bias. Track bias demands respect and the stronger the bias the greater the effect it has on the race. Every track have different biases and the same track can have different biases even on the same day.

    Speed wins more some days than others. Most probably the reason lies in the preparation of the surface. If you are smart, you will notice whether front runners or closers are winning on the inside or the outside. Many times the rail is dead.

    So , as the races progress, are most of the winners running on the inside or the outside. That should be a clue as to the answer to your question. If the rail is dead it is easy to spot; Horses that win will have raced on the outside of the track.

    Also some tracks have sharper turns than other tracks. Know how turns effect a front runner vs. a closer.

    To sum up.......post position is not an automatic. Inside is not always good....and can be much worse than outside post positions.

    Handicapping takes a good memory, intelligence, and the ability to solve puzzles.

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    FUCK THE HORSES THEY SHIT MORE THAN I DO....
     
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    Horseshit
     
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  18. jeffspicoli6969, Aug 17, 2015

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    did some research best jockey-trainer combination show more often.
     
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  19. Pressit, Aug 18, 2015

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    Not saying he is the best source, but Andrew Byers has been writing books on horse racing for over 40 years. Esquire TV last year had a 8 part series, Horseplayers. 4 or 5 guys from different parts of the U.S. competed against each other at different tracks using their own method of picking a winner. if interested you can watch it on, tv.esquire.com.
     
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    Should you view the Horseplayers videos, one of them later on in the series (6, 7, 8) talks about the Tote Board, and observing a very large imbalance amount of money being bet on a certain horse, think it was the 3rd horse. This horse was not the favorite. According to these handicappers this was a very unusual occurrence, and a sign something was up. So they bet on this horse and the horse won. With craps you are battling against your own skill sets. In horse racing you are battling with everything that horse comes in contact with the horse, and some invisible connections. Not all horses are out there to win races.
     
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