Has anybody taken Golden Touch Dice control class

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  1. twodicebilly, Jul 26, 2017

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    I Would agree sniping numbers is hard, certainly way over my head.
    But most times you are at a table there are 1-2 numbers that repete more
    than others....if you record like I do which can be write all the shots down
    or just use your chips... either way.. you may find something like 75-80 %
    of the shooters during a session will throw a 5 or a 6 or 8 , maybe even
    4 or 10..... the point is you can make decent money placing one larger
    bet on that number or two numbers instead of placing many bets and
    trying to chase numbers....

    This approach helps you lose less on short rolls which always out number
    long rolls.... and while I am not a fan of come bets.... I will use one large
    bet on a number that hits the most and a smaller come bet.

    Monday I did that... .and there was another guy at the table betting across.
    We both started with the same amount and both cashed out at the same
    amount. He won more with more hits and he left more on the table
    after a 7 hits..... Had I bet the same amount as he did, but only on
    two numbers I would have won more than he did with fewer bets.

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  2. KokomoJoe4, Jul 26, 2017

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    I guess if a player has a tendency to do well with a lot of bets out there, (s)he (no LID, not a tranny) will continue to play this way and not tempt fate.

    However, like TDB, I find it easier to just put out one bigger bet and hope that it hits. In this case, one winner is almost enough.
     
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  3. HornHiYo, Jul 26, 2017

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    Yeah. I like to make bets that pay more on a win than the seven can take on a loss. So starting with one or two is a good plenty for me.
    Many times when lucky enough to catch a hot table I notice different players can have nice rolls and there are several happy winners and no don't players.
     
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  4. James Hall, Jul 26, 2017

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    A $5 bet on a triple hard 6 or hard 8 gets me to $5,000 , I have done that many times over the years and I always play it for the dealers as well
    One tine on the table I hit the hard 6 the second time so I had $500 on it
    The next roll was an easy six , the $500 was taken down . The lady occupying the space directly to my left patted me on the shoulder and said
    "OH MY GAWD YOU LOST $500 ON THAT HARDWAY" , I told her I hadn't , she disagreed > I reminded her that all I had bet was $5
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Jul 26, 2017

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    James,

    Have the dealers ever asked you to take some of their winnings off the board when you are progressing the HW bets?
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Jul 26, 2017

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    In this instance you and the lady were both right....different perspectives.
     
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  7. James Hall, Jul 26, 2017

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    That is an absolute fact , many people think that the money won is theirs
    I prefer to think of it as house money till I lock it up , It's the , "GLASS HALF FULL / HALF EMPTY THING"
    The question I asked her was , "If I had left the table losing my $200 buy in , would I also include my loss of the $500 making my total loss $700" ?
    She shrugged and said I don't know
    The reality at the end I have lost only $200 , if I lose , but then again we get back to
    THE $42 thing
     
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  8. The Comeback Kid, Jul 26, 2017

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    Excellent incite D-007. You may now throw your practice table away.
    Practicing the mental thingy, renders physical dice practice irrelevant.
    Thus practice by non-practicing & action become effortless & fun.
    Now you can just press & collect, bkz long abundant rolls have rendered convoluted betting strategies obsolete.

    Distracting away from the observable action & going into a more relaxed mental state, is a proven technique to lower resistance. And we all know, that the only thing holding you apart from what you want, is resistance.

    Getting into the zone is the DI's secret; taking your brain waves from Delta (12 - 38 HZ) to Alpha & then to the desired Theta (3 - 8 HZ). Once you've gotten yourself, out of the way of yourself, you're on the path of least resistance. It's a magical state of being fully present, while detached at the same time. Once you experience this, you'll never go back.

    Speaking of music: You cannot rely on the casino to key up your greatest hits. I find their music mirrors the carpet - frantic; hectic, designed to keep you on edge. Thus, I come with my own song(s).

    Have fun with it. You're on the right track.

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  9. James Hall, Jul 26, 2017

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    Sometimes ,
    When I hit the bet the second time I will say PARLAY , the usual response is "I know Mr. Hall you always parlay"
    Sometimes I will get a hesitation on the part of the stick and a look of panic , at that point I will usually call for same bet
    They retrieve their tip .
    The ones who know me will normally accept what I do
    I invest them in the game and want them to come out at the end with a profit , that gets them on my side to some degree and I suffer far less scrutiny
    Sometimes I will place bets with dealer control depending on where my game is at the time
    I have had casinos limit me to $250 on dealer bets
    But to answer your question I don't recall any of them asking me to take them down , I don't know what management reaction would be for a dealer doing that
    I have had them say "Are you sure" after I call for a parlay hoping I will pull it
    and now that I think about it
    One time I did have a female stick push the $500 to me and retrieved their tip , then I immediately replaced my bet only to 7 out on the next roll
    She looked at me with a look I had never seen before.
     
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  10. KokomoJoe4, Jul 26, 2017

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    I have never seen that, but would have thought many of the dealers you are toking, with a potential $500 already in the box, are hoping you put some of the profit into the toke box.

    You are a charitable man James.
     
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  11. James Hall, Jul 26, 2017

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    Not so much charitable the thing is regardless of how small or large the toke , the cost to me is only $5
    and I am sure you are right about them wanting to pull some but when I get to that point I am not thinking about what they want I am focused on
    rolling numbers , I have never been one with the ability to split focus between two things
    I can tell you there have been many times pulling after the second hit would have been the thing to do
    but I have hit the third enough times that I almost always go for three
    Over the years I am far enough ahead that I will never be negative on that bet
    I ask people all the time If I hit it the third time once , how many times could I lose the $5 and still be money ahead
    The number of hard 6 and hard 8's I roll make it foolish for me to not bet them
    If I rolled fewer I would probably not bet them or I would pull down earlier
     
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  12. random_roller, Jul 26, 2017

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    I almost pulled the trigger on buying shares of AMD at @$14.10 per share yesterday afternoon just before the closing bell. AMD was to announce 2Q earnings after the close and I had a hunch... AMD announced better than expected earnings after the bell and the stock shot up to $15.13 in aftermarket trading. Earlier today it was as high as $15.65.

    IF I had pulled the trigger and bought AMD yesterday at $14.10 per share, before the opening bell this morning, I would have had a UNREALIZED gain of $1.03 per share (excluding transaction costs) based upon the $15.13 per share opening price. However, until I put in a sell order for the AMD shares and that trade is executed, I have only a $1.03 per share gain on paper (which will likely change in either direction with the passage of time). Just like that $5 Hard 8 bet that hits and I parlay the $45 winnings. At that point, I view the $45 parlay as an UNREALIZED gain because my session at the craps table hasn't ended and the chips haven't been converted into cash at the cashier window. Outside the casino, those chips are basically worthless. Yes, I'm risking $50 to try and win $450, but the reality is I'm only $5 out-of-pocket if a 7 or easy 8 hits before the Hard 8.

    Let's say the 7 out hits before the $50 Hard 8 hit and that sequence above was my only gambling transaction during 2017. Also, I'm not a professional gambler and I itemize deductions on my Federal Income Tax return. I would declare $0 in gambling income and $5 in gambling losses (but unable to claim any gambling loss deduction since my gambling losses are limited to my gambling income). The IRS wouldn't force me to recognize the parlayed $45 winnings as gambling income, nor would I claim $50 in gambling losses.
     
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  13. DeMango, Jul 26, 2017

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    Replying to a 5 year old post? Here's your sign!
     
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    Where's the sign DM?
     
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    IM more skeptical of a thread revived after almost 4 years then I am of DI.
    business slow?

    will it only be a matter of time before dirty laundry is being tossed around here and other dice forums with regards to this?
     
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  16. DeMango, Jul 26, 2017

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    Jeff Foxworthy has it!
     
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  17. superrick, Jul 26, 2017

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    What difference does it make that it's five years old.There isn't to much anybody can write about the game that isn't old?
     
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  18. von duck, Jul 26, 2017

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    Pretty good analogy :):cool:
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Jul 26, 2017

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    When one views the parlayed bet 6-8 as a "cumulative" bet before the fact, then I agree with anyone that says, I just lost $5, not $50. I suppose a mind bet that is dedicated beforehand, would be like an ATS bet in that respect.....but it is still a mental construct.

    But if I hit a hard 8, then scratch my chin and say, "I think I'll bet it for $50 now.". Then in reality I lost $50 if it doesn't hit.

    It is all a matter of perspective....and might even qualify as a paradox, hu? :)
     
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  20. DeMango, Jul 26, 2017

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    What Liman said!
     
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