G.O.A.T...he is running like a tremendous machine !!!

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  1. basicstrategy777, May 16, 2022

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    I have watched these three races a million times and still get choked up every time I watch them ...this horse had so much heart a true champion of champions, powerful beautiful strides Turcotte was a very lucky man to experience the ride of this majestic animal my all time favorite...neat post enjoyed immensely ;)
     
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    the flip side of this record is poor Sham....had to race against a once in a life time phenom 3 times
     
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    speaking of Turcotte I think he said in the three races he used the whip once on Big Red or something like that
     
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    And such a great name, SECRETARIAT, very regal. :cool: That was the first derby I ever remember watching. 1973, He was the first triple crown winner in 25 years, Citation in 1948 was the previous.
     
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    America needed a hero in 1973, after Vietnam.....and Secretariat was it.....the country loved him........ESPN, of the 100 greatest atheletes of the 20th century, Secretariat was listed as #..35........when I watched that Belmont run I almost cried ( I don't know why but I did)....if you want to read a good book on Secretariat, read " The Horse God Built" by Lawrence Scanlan....excellent read..

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    June 9, 1973.

    I was there and snapped this picture as Secretariat hit the finish line. You can barely see Twice A Prince and My Gallant battling for second.

    It remains the biggest thrill of my life.

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    Secretariat working out at Pimlico on 5/13/1973 and in the Preakness post parade 6 days later.

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    $2 Belmont Stakes win ticket. There are thousands out there.

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    I hate to be a Debby Downer but a few valid points:
    -Secretariat ran 4 phenomenal races. Derby, Preakness, Belmont, Marlboro Cup. He picked the right time to peak. America was hungry for a Triple Crown winner. Watergate and attractive owner, Penny Chenery helped Secretariat’s lure. VD pointed out the 25 year drought.
    -He allowed Angle Light, Sham, Onion and Prove Out to beat him in the Wood Memorial, Whitney and Woodward. Note three W’s.
    -He finished 4th in his first race and getting bumped badly at the start.
    -The Secretariat movie was a piece of fiction shit. They filmed the fucking Belmont scenes at Evangeline Downs race track in Louisiana. But Diane Lane is a babe!

    At his best, he is among the best ever but don’t you have to look at his entire career? He lost 5 races, including a disqualification as a two year old.

    I would rate Man o War #1. He won 20/21. Big Red certainly top five.

    You also must consider the distance of a race. Secretariat excelled at 1 1/4 to 1 1/2. I believe that Dr Fager would beat Big Red up to and including 1 1/8. He was horse of the year in 1968. Only three horses ever finished in front of Dr Fager. Damascus, Buckpasser, Successor. Successor was champion 2 year old in 1966. Buckpasser was horse of the year in 1966 and Damascus was horse of the year in 1967. That’s impressive.

    Spectacular Bid at his best would have made Secretariat sweat too. The Bid ran 1 1/4 in 1:57.8 at Santa Anita as a four year old. Secretariat retired after his three year old season. Horses generally peak at 5. Secretariat’s 1 1/4 Derby record of 1:59.4 still stands. Of course, he did that at age 3.

    “It is difference of opinion that makes horse racing.”
     
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    Turcotte was made a paraplegic when a horse acted up in a starting gate and sat on him. He never walked again after the 1978 accident.
     
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    “Big Red of Meadow Stable” written by William Nack is also outstanding.
     
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    ....well they're wrong (IMHO) should be in top 5...hell when I watch replays like your post I still get choked up and all most tear mostly on the Belmont run...how many years did it take to break Dimagos record....cause what ever it was Big Reds (3) will be longer...can use a good read right now will check out Lawrence book thank you sir ;)
     
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    .....Inside don't make me come out there....you better tell me these pictures are hanging in your man cave ;)....one word describes you and these pictures...AWESOME :)
     
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    Rails Runner I totally agree with most of your post and you will always be one of my mentors especially when it comes to horses.... BUT..... I am glad that they don't have a question on the citizens quiz test of what horse holds the track record for the 3 races that make up the triple crown because the only three words in English they would have to understand and speak to get the answer correct would be BIG RED or SECRETARIAT ;)
     
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    ...will be getting this one to Bud thank you for tid bit :cool:
     
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    The Secretariat picture with $2 win ticket is hanging prominently in my cave. The other photos are in my IPad.
     
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    What made 6-9-1973 so special for me ‘were’ actually two things:

    1) During the race, I kept looking at Secretariat with binoculars while looking at his fractional times on the tote board. Horses can not run this fast for a mile and a half but this horse can and he is unique. I realized that I was witnessing the single greatest accomplishment in the history of horse racing RIGHT BEFORE MY EYES. Bill Nack says exactly the same thing in his book but I was living it at Belmont Park.

    2) Unrelated but I would meet my wife less than a month later on 7-4-1973 and I consider our long marriage the best thing and the luckiest event of my life. Like Secretariat, nothing is a close second.
     
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    Secretariat holds all three Stakes records (not the Pimlico track record but the Preakness record) 49 years later. The greatness of that record alone is legendary.

    My ONLY knock against Secretariat is that he NEVER should have been beaten in the Wood-Whitney-Woodward. I can accept the maiden loss and the DQ but not THREE others. I hope that makes sense.

    AT HIS BEST, Secretariat was possibly unbeatable at a mile and a quarter. But he was not always at his best. And you can’t fairly compare him to the Man O’ War of 1920. But Secretariat broke the 25 year Triple Crown void, he was his best during the most watched Triple Crown races, he was a beautiful chestnut specimen and was owned by a very attractive, likable, classy lady during Watergate. America was thirsting for a hero in 1973 and found one in this extraordinary animal.
     
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    At his best, with my life on the line, I would put him up against any horse you pick..........he had it all.......

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