First wager, first toss, & and first WIN...

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by dustedone, Jan 1, 2021.

  1. von duck, Jan 24, 2021

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    It ain't! If it "worked", he would have people beating a path to his door, or he'd be dead. :confused: Some betting systems have some merit, but they are ALL just "money management" and do NOT change the house edge. DI? Yeah well, if you can do it, and apply it properly, it can only help. Nearly impossible to verify though. :cool:
     
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  2. Dave G Ct, Jan 24, 2021

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    The Duck speaks the truth! Duck how much would you pay for Dust Head' s system?
     
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  3. von duck, Jan 24, 2021

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    Actually Dave, I'd pay just a few bucks, just see what it is that he considers "intellectual property". Might be something I've toyed with in the past, or maybe something entirely new. In any case, I'd like to check it out. What's the GD big-ass secret? :)
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, Jan 24, 2021

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    Dust Head proved one thing.The answer to life from outer space has been finally answered!
     
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  5. von duck, Jan 24, 2021

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    Hey Man, where do you think our planet is? We are in the murky back-waters of the Orion spur, of the Milky Way Galaxy. We are, all of us, from,outer space. No question about it. :cool:
     
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  6. KokomoJoe4, Jan 24, 2021

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    The above from the "gentleman" who refused to describe his own go to craps method when having won 7 or 8 times in a row, supposedly for fear of being ID'ed as a so-called advantage player.

    C'mon baron. Why is a secretive method of play OK for you but not for Dusted?
     
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  7. von duck, Jan 24, 2021

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    That wasn't a craps play, and , I'm not trying to sell it. I do have a secret craps play, but it is so unusual, ( have never seen anybody else do it), but it WOULD chance To ID me. I'm seeing things go-down on the craps tables, that is raising serious questions in my mind, about the honesty of the game. No proof of anything, (whatever that is), but seeing very unlikely scenarios, way too often. I have not determined the mechanism, but I know it's there, because I've detected it's "shadow". This is my opinion, take it for whatever you might think it's worth. :cool:
     
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  8. KokomoJoe4, Jan 24, 2021

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    What are these scenarios you see? The game has existed for a long time, and it has been profitable to the casino, in spite of the fact that it is pretty close to an even game.

    If I recall, you mentioned 8 or 9 winning craps sessions in a row a while back, which you attributed to your method of play. When I asked for some details, you were hush hush, both about your craps play, and about your "go to" casino game, whatever that is.

    Since you brought up your success, and since this is supposedly a discussion board, I thought I'd ask, but we get no answers.

    Most of us here discuss our play openly, but whatever...............
     
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  9. yacraps, Jan 24, 2021

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    two greats post Koko...126,128
     
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  10. hartzehn22, Jan 24, 2021

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    Just had to say that DI is possible and definitely verifiable.
     
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  11. DeMango, Jan 24, 2021

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    Chi Square Test = Verification.
     
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  12. von duck, Jan 25, 2021

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    Show the Chi square test, and what it verifies. :cool: Just show it. Heard the term a thousand times, have never seen an actual Chi square test posted. :)
     
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  13. von duck, Jan 25, 2021

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    It's very easy to claim it, and very easy to say it's "definitely verifiable", but I've never seen it verified. Give it a shot, verify it. :cool:
     
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  14. von duck, Jan 25, 2021

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    You'll have to be content to discuss the fact that I won't say. I'd love to run down the whole thing, but I can't. It would be foolish, for me to do so.
    I'm also not going to mention specifically what scenarios I've witnessed, but I am going to try to capitalize on them, that will be the proof, if there is any. If that endeavor is successful, it will be something else, that can't be revealed. So, we are sort of at a dead end, aren't we? :cool:
     
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  15. hartzehn22, Jan 25, 2021

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    Von Duck, I've already given it a shot, many of them over and over again and verified it. The work is left up to you and your game, not mine.
     
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  16. DeMango, Jan 25, 2021

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    The Chi Square test is built into the BoneTracker program, which is actually an Excel spreadsheet. A couple of hundred rolls is usually enough to establish influence or not. I use casino results at a specific table, position, with a specific toss for each file. If results are lackluster, time for another table or position or toss.
     
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  17. KokomoJoe4, Jan 25, 2021

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    Chi Squared equals the sum of (observed frequency minus expected frequency)^ squared divided by expected frequency.

    As applicable to craps for the mathematical identification of a so-called DI, the formula could be used in any number of ways, depending on what the scDI's signature number might be.

    As an example, let's say we are concerned with his sevens during the point cycle, but not including come out winners.

    Observation is x sevens out of 36 rolls. Expectation is 6 sevens out of 36 rolls. Many sets of 36 rolls can be inputted, where these are added together up to an infinite number of trials, if desired.

    The Central Limit Theorem, the hallmark of statistics, pretty much guarantees you that you will be at or very close to 6 sevens out of every 36 rolls, over the l o n g haul.
     
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  18. von duck, Jan 25, 2021

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    My ass!
     
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  19. Dave G Ct, Jan 25, 2021

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    What toss are you mostly using?
     
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  20. hartzehn22, Jan 25, 2021

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    Von Duck. Not so.
     
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