Electronic Blackjack

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  1. Bases loaded, Aug 27, 2015

    Bases loaded

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    The New York Racinos now have Electronic Blackjack.

    The Aqueduct Worlds Resort has 60 five player screens now, with a total installation of 300 before the end of the year.

    Yonkers has a dozen set ups and will eventually have 50, I believe.

    They tweaked the state's casino law to allow these. Again, the games were supposed to be based on 'Lottery style games', but they stretched the interpretation to include electronic games like roulette, craps, and baccarat.

    I played the $10 game at Yonkers last week. Won a few hands, lost a few more.
     
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  2. TDVegas, Sep 2, 2015

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    I would avoid anything electronic like the plague. The only caveat is bubble craps which I believe to be just as random as the tables. Video anything (craps, roulette, BJ). I know some like video poker and I understand certain machines have zero edge. Other than that, I would not play video anything. I do get some free slot play from time to time and I will use it.
     
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  3. Bases loaded, Sep 2, 2015

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    New York is an under served market. People are desperate for gambling in any form. The NY racinos have syphoned off a lot of players that used to go to Mohegan Sun or Atlantic City.

    Anything that resembles a table game gets players lining up.

    Yonkers and Resorts World in Queens are mobbed. Ask Liman.
     
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  4. Bases loaded, Sep 2, 2015

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    I read something recently that says the NY blackjack machines deal a 'single deck' to each player. A unique deck for each player 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5. the deck(s) is reshuffled after each hand.

    They said this prevents any card counting and players can not 'collude' about whether to hit or stand. Doesn't sound right to me.

    I can't find any 'official' documents that confirms this.

    I need to observe the game to see if I see the same card(s) being dealt to mulitple players.
     
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  5. betwthelines, Sep 3, 2015

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    bubble craps uses three dimensional, adapted-for-the-purpose cubes ---that is to say, analog objects --- just as the table game does to generate random numbers...

    ...the question for you should be, "do these other electronic games use random number generators or do they use logarithms?" the conundrum is i dont think the casinos will provide that information but i dont actually know...while DIers (and others) will demur, make no mistake RNGs deliver results equally as random as the plastic cubes! having played craps vicariously to the tune of about 1.6 million wincraps rolls, clicked out one-at-a-time, i can assure you that those rolls are indistinguishable from and just as wicked as real dice!

    presumably video poker machines use RNGs since one sometimes sees verbiage along the lines of "standard 52 card deck used" or something like that intimating an RNG, in which case probability mathematics is used to figure the payouts, both the one fair payout---or rather more than fair one (singular) payout--- as well as all the other unfair ones
    <<<forgive me a lengthy aside but, does anybody know if i am correct in this?? it is my understanding that on some video poker machines the "zero edge" tdv refers to ---or even actual player edge as i have also heard to be the case--- is because the payout is better than fair on one bet only: the royal flush, and better such that it balances out all the other unfair payouts on all the other hands...am i correct in this?? if so, it is a legitimate edge but i would guess only with "perfect" play and even so your chances of encountering this advantage remain remote (about like hitting the jackpot on a regliar slot, eh?)...but more than that i have also heard that a commonplace misunderstanding of this real edge actually turns it into a casino advantage! misguided players will throw away 2 pair, for example, from hands that contain 3 to a royal...or throw away a flush containing 4 to a royal -- understandble perhaps, edge or no -- but actions that do throw any player edge right out the window...knowledge of the edge actually encourages STUPID play and the overall advantage redounds back to the casino!>>>

    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Sep 3, 2015

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    If you're serious about video poker I would recommend "Everything Casino Poker" by Frank Scoblete et al. The video poker section is authored by Jerry "Stickman".

    I can only attempt to answer your question about a desired overall payback percentage is achieved. Many machines have a bonus payout attached to a royal flush when max coins are played, which gives credence to your assumption that this one enhanced payout turns the game from player-negative to player-positive. This may well be the actual case, but I notice that different payouts for the same game usually occur on full houses and flushes. Hence games are often given labels like "9/6" (meaning full houses pay 9 for 1 and flushes pay 6 for 1).

    One important thing to know is that perfect strategy for one game is not necessarily the perfect strategy for another. Even the same game with a different pay table can require some tweaks for perfect play.


    NB. I happen to hold Frank Scoblete in high esteem, but I acknowledge that evaluation is not unanimous. Hence the reduced font size. In this forum we clearly make every effort to avoid offending anyone. ;)
     
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