Dice influence

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  1. oldgrasshopper, Aug 3, 2016

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    TT, another Livermore dictum that comes to mind: "Never discus your positions with others." Your 'lone wolf' explanation is as close as it gets to this advice. For stock trading it's a matter of remaining neutral and not getting ego involved with what you told others. In Craps that translates into not trying to impress, sticking to your game and not taking unnecessary heat which would also affect your game.
     
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  2. KokomoJoe4, Aug 3, 2016

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    PSU, Give me a heads up either in this thread or by way of a PM. I'd like to bump into you there, however, this week, I'm not sure what my options are - I could possibly head in either Fri or Sat, but Fri afternoon would be best because I have to go into town to pick up my car after work - something like 3 PM or so would be a no-brainer for me - other times or days I'd have to get back to you.

    BTW, where are you from PSU?
     
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  3. Craps Poopshoot, Aug 3, 2016

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    LOL! I always say, "Admit to nothing, deny everything" One having an Ego and gambling is a toxic mix in my humble opinion.
     
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  4. PSUhard8, Aug 3, 2016

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    For sure, I will let you know. I'm going to try to make it tomorrow if not I probably won't be by this week. Have an interview on Friday then got some family things going on. Usually in the summer I go at weird times, once the fall hits I'll probably be more of a weekend warrior. I think I've been to more Casinos outside of Pittsburgh then in town this summer. And I'm in greensburg. how bout yourself... From your posts sounds like you are north of the city.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Aug 3, 2016

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    Yeah, in Cranberry Twp - easy to get to both local places from here, but I've only been to the Meadows 4 or 5 times, probably 8 or 900 times to the Rivers :confused:, and didn't get there even once in the first year when there were no table games [1][3].

    If you are going tomorrow, let me know. Work is 9-5, then I might be able to pick up the car at P&W if they have the damn thing ready. Not sure I can make it tomorrow, but will try to if you're going to be there at the right time.
     
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  6. wonko33, Aug 3, 2016

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    Hey people who say the physics allows the possibility of Dice influence, buy one of these and drop the dice exactly the same way a few times. If you can't influence a simple roll like this and you say you can throw them 6 feet and hit a pyramid wall with influence you're selling something.
     
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  7. $nakeEye$, Aug 3, 2016

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    Upon having served in the US Army - particularly during a most unpopular era - the Viet Nam conflict -

    I would like to expand upon your " Admit to nothing, deny everything " by adding " and NEVER volunteer " !

    $...eE..$
     
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  8. Edward-ky, Aug 4, 2016

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    You usually only know the never volunteer unless you have volunteered 1 or 2 times.
     
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    Hey koko,
    Just left the rivers. Hot shooter is still there. I rolled like shit today however someone else at that table rolled pretty well. Had a shitty start but came back and cashed out plus 190. Good luck if you head there later!!
     
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  10. oldgrasshopper, Aug 6, 2016

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    Notes from the Practice Box and "The MP Crapshooting Bible"

    Can anyone tell me the real name of the author, Tony Gambino?

    He begins with the 3-Finger (Parr/GTC) grip, then moves into discussion of Yuri Konomenko's 3-Finger Diagonal Grip.
    Due to finger length (fairly long and slim) I found it to be an easy transition from Parr to Yuri, accomplished by rotating
    both die forward on the table.

    The author is especially fond of the Pincer Grip and its many variations. I tried it but it didn't feel comfortable to me. I'm thinking it might be because the grip is naturally easier for shooters who have smaller, or muscular shorter hands? I believe it was SnakeEyes who stated that
    "The Arm" used the 4-finger Crablike Grip, or some version thereof. And maybe it's because she was a woman with smaller hands?
    Just thinking out loud.
     
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  11. Dave G Ct, Aug 6, 2016

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    Have you tried any UH toss' s?
     
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  12. oldgrasshopper, Aug 6, 2016

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    No I have not yet but plan to do so. TableTop was generous enough to share and describe his UH toss. I printed out a copy of his post and will use that for instruction. I remain skeptical of DI but employ it anyway. I mean who am I going to believe: all those books or my lying eyes? Today I began with an All7s Set and threw 15 consecutive numbers until the PSO. What influence?

    Right now I'm still trying to gain a complete and thorough understanding of the game, with DI being only one facet. This past Thursday
    I went to the casino and came back another winner but some guy cashed in over $4K in chips. Hence my ongoing post about what is the best way to capitalize on a hot roll. Cheers.
     
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  13. Dave G Ct, Aug 6, 2016

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    Good luck to you. You have great enthusiasm! Start off with the Hardway set and have fun.
     
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  14. Craps Poopshoot, Aug 6, 2016

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    The author goes by the name of Mad professor on the forums, and this is his forum. The author claims to play in the North East American and Canadian casinos and claims to have legionary tosses nearly every time he goes out, and that is approximately 20 days a month that he goes out. The author claims he is a high roller, that is playing at the green/black chip level in these New York, Canadian casinos.

    BUT, there are many who think that the author has never played Craps and is just making it all up. Here is why....

    Nobody knows who the author really is, cause nobody has met the author.
    If the author is playing as much as he claims he is, and having legionary rolls all the time, AND playing at a high roller level - well such a player would be known well by the local craps players in that area of witch many are here on this board and others. Furthermore, the author claims to have lived many years in Vegas YET nobody I have meet seems to know of this guy and I have talked to quite some elderly players who would know.

    It is not uncommon for a writer to simply create a fictional persona and world to write about where they can express their creativity and ideas. Frank Scobelete does exactly this with his books and his fictional Captain and his crew such as The Arm (who he once wrote about as a woman who showed up once and had a great toss and never was seen again - only then later to appear again as a regular on the Captains crew. I have talked to many people who played in AC during the days that Frank claims he was there with the Captain and nobody I talked to ever meet such a person or heard of such a person as this Captain or his crew).

    Now, if you are following the writings of The Pooper (thats me!) then you know that I preach very vocally that Dice Control, also known as Dice Influence, is a myth and used by scammers to sell classes and seminars. It is totally with in reason to think that writers who are looking to sell books will simply jump on this and write about it. Heck, many books are written about acting by people who have never acted a single day in their lives, it is just that they can write and acting is a subject of interest. Dice Control is a subject of interest to the craps community, so it is easy to exploit by a crafty writer.
     
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  15. $nakeEye$, Aug 7, 2016

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    oldgrasshopper -

    When you began to memorize the alphabet how long did it take you ?

    When you tried to memorize the times table - again - how long did it take you -

    When you first rode a bicycle - how many times did it take until your parents felt you were confident / adept enough to ride without the ' training wheels / stabilizers ' attached to the rear axle ?

    Was Rome built in one day ?

    WD40 was so named because it was the 40th water displacement formula that was developed by its owner !

    After 39 prior failed attempts ! -

    Do YOU seriously think that YOU can accomplish in a minute period of time what takes everyone else months to perfect ?

    If the answer is YES -

    YOU belong in the camp of TDVegas , OAP, and others who profess disbelief in the theory of DI !

    However, if you approach this method as a viable option to alter the unfavorable odds in the game of craps to a favorable alternative -

    Then you need to seriously practice the concepts until they become second nature to you !

    Obviously, THIS attitude is NOT acceptable to MOST people -

    The MAJORITY of casino patrons do not even bother to read the rules of the game that they wish to play -

    Let alone read a book as to how to possibly win at that particular game -

    These idiots are exactly what each and every casino owner rely upon to boost their bottom line !

    If you have NO desire to benefit yourself thru knowledge and dedicated practice -

    I have NO use for YOU nor the likes of you !

    However, if you are sincere in your quest to gain an advantage over the casino thru your newly acquired expertise -

    I will bend over backwards to bring you up to speed and share my knowledge with you !

    $...eE..$
     
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  16. $nakeEye$, Aug 7, 2016

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    OGH -

    You know - between YOU, TDVEGAS, and quite a few other " ALL KNOWING " posters -

    You must think I am some sort of fucking jerk-off -

    Well - let me clue you all -

    I am nothing even remotely close to that -

    Far, Far from it !

    Tell you what I'll do for YOU -

    I will play a little " Monty Hall " with your Under Hand description by TT123 -

    " In exchange for HIS information - I will provide YOU with the " Real Deal " -

    A 20+ page document authored by " Dicenator " -

    Bob is the " Father of the Under Hand toss " -

    And has published - privately - " The Under Hand Toss Manual " -

    This is THE document which led my wife to become the " Queen " of the Under Toss in our AC group !

    I am MOST certain that what TT123 relates is nothing compared to the in-depth detail as what " Dicenator " has to offer !

    $...eE..$
     
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  17. Edward-ky, Aug 7, 2016

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    No one thinks that. We all know since you prove it time and time again.
     
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  18. Dave G Ct, Aug 7, 2016

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    Snakeyes is right. Dicenator gives a good explanation of the UH toss. He uses his own grip- I use MP' s two finger.
     
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    I asked JP about the captain. John used to play a couple times a week at the Clarify. He said he never came across him which seemed strange. JP " lived" in AC
     
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