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  1. KokomoJoe4, Jan 18, 2016

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    Dice could easily be MIS-constructed in such a way so as to make one face or two opposing faces slightly heavier.

    In the manufacture of dice, the acetate removed during pip construction is supposedly replaced with an identical mass of paint.

    This "cheating" could be done on any face or faces of the dice.

    On tribal lands not overrun with bureaucrats, they could probably get away with this sort of thing pretty easily, if they wanted to. More sevens would in general help the house. If too many started betting the Don'ts, these dice would disappear, unless they happen to be murdering the Don't players at come out.

    As 7uwin had already stated, there's too much at risk if a corporation gets caught at this - hell craps isn't even the major game in town anymore.
     
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    yes, I understand its a craps rig....I can see that....but what does that rig have to do anything with a real dice table?
    the differences are so plentiful I wont even start listing them.
    the most important, standing in front of a box and standing at a table are completely different.
    surfaces and heights on tables and your rig are completely different.
    these two simple factors make any practice you throw in that box meaningless.(my opinion)
     
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  3. TDVegas, Jan 18, 2016

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    You look at it from a point of view of why wouldn't people do something dumb. I look at it from a point of view of why people wouldn't do something smart.

    If they are dumb, how are they even figuring out what influence they have?
     
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  4. black3car, Jan 18, 2016

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    You seem to be saying dice influencers who only play occasionally CAN'T exist. I say there is a chance they can. Has nothing to do with smart or dumb...that is a matter of opinion.
     
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  5. TDVegas, Jan 18, 2016

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    Sure. You think your way and I'll think mine. I say they would be playing all the time or as much as humanly possible. Certainly not once, twice a month. Other considerations factor in, but the majority of those would be secondary to making bank in the casino....

    Food shopping..
    Cleaning the gutter...
    Mowing the lawn..
    Cutting coupons...
    Etc..

    If you think they would be cutting coupons instead of investing that time at the table exploiting the advantage...be my guest. You're not going to convince me.
     
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  6. black3car, Jan 18, 2016

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    You just don't get it or refuse to get it. There is more than one way (your way) to explain things. I'm not saying dice influencers play only once a month or so. I'm not saying they are playing all the time either. It could possibly...just possibly be either or both for that matter. I'm not disagreeing with your scenario just saying it is not the only one that could make sense. Therefore your argument does not hold water that it is the ONLY way things can be. Ok I've had enough. :)
     
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  7. tabletop123, Jan 18, 2016

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    Here's the way that i view things. IF HAD A VALIDATED EDGE over the Casinos, i would play whenever i feel like it. NOT 6-7 days a week, because TDVegas says: What, you no like money! If i am gonna win damn near everytime that i play, what's the friggin rush?

    It'd be no different than driving to the bank to make a Withdrawl. I know the money's in the account, so I'll proceed accordingly. All this mumbo jumbo about raping the Casinos 6-7 days a week is pure bullshit. Listen, if i TRULY possessed a skill, it wouldnt be unheard of to only play once a week.

    You simply show up with a big bankroll, roll about 20 box numbers, & go home. Why all of this grinding your nose in the pavement JUST BECAUSE you have an edge.

    Print money. Buy a Bently. Own an Island. First of all, who the fu..k wants to spend almost every fuc..king waking hour in a friggin Casino anyways?

    Personally, i HATE the Casino Atmosphere. Ding, ding, ding! Loud , & rowdy drunks, Cigar Smoke, etc. Who needs that shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Print money my ass!

    If i TRULY possessed the skill, I'd show up with about ten grand, take around five grand off the Casinos, one or two days a week, & relax.

    Has nothing to do with flying under the radar, staying under cover, not wanting to win too much money, etc. I just wouldnt worry about getting rich, because I'd already be rich. Remember, i possess a skill.

    The only thing that i'd have reservations about is MAYBE developing arthritis, or possibly injuring my shooting arm. Other than that, EVERYTHING is peaches, & Cream.

    You got the skill? Not some Make Believe bullshit, but a VALIDATED skill that will make you money? Well, then relax, because your money is stationary. It aint going no where.

    The reality is that its just sitting there, waiting to be picked up. The beauty of it is that its waiting for you all over the Continental U.S.A., & Abroad, 24/7, 365 days a year. Doesnt get any sweetet than that!
     
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  8. black3car, Jan 18, 2016

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    Absolutely agree with you sir!
     
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  9. Onautopilot, Jan 18, 2016

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    Dice control....mostly wishful thinking, and that's o.k.

    Dreams, the golden egg laying goose, a challenge, beat 'em at their own game, and a little greed thrown in.

    Human nature, find the "loophole"! Look for a way to exploit the game, the system, gain the upper hand, take advantage.

    You can go back eons, and as relates to gambling, players spend hours, days, years, a lifetime trying to find the "hiccup" in random chance games. They come up with systems, strategies, flaws, advantage influence, and some just get right to it, and cheat!

    Casinos sometimes fail, but not because of the success of the Dreamers!

    I am not immune to this....I'm a gambler, and gamblers have to look for advantages, it's the nature of the beast!

    So, all you DI'ers out there, have at it, I applaud your efforts......but I suggest you do like the other advantage players, if it's working for you, just go do it, keep the goose safely tucked under your arm. Unless you can't really do it, then you might consider opening a school and teaching others to do what you can not do. :)
     
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  10. hartzehn22, Jan 18, 2016

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    Liman- Oh I thought you thought it was a cardboard box as you stated. Sometimes I can take things so literal and well, mix it up with intended sarcasm. Anyway, I agree with you that there are many differences between a practice rig and a real table. For this very reason, I practice at casinos and not at home.

    I would never invest in a real craps table because of all the different conditions a DI will face in casino x, y or z. I originally brought this craps rig out from the basement to demonstrate the ability to land the dice 3 inches from the wall. That demonstration was my first video ever posted on the Craps Forum and my first ever youtube Video! Needless to say, I'm still having fun with the practice rig and will be posting some other videos on the Craps Forum for your viewing pleasure and critique.

    I do find the practice rig helpful for some things and it is not completely meaningless to me. It's fun trying to influence the dice ;) not just at the casinos but on the practice rig.

    p.s. The height of the practice rig, the distance from which I'm shooting and the makeshift table from which I shoot, is casino height "regulations".
     
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  11. The Midnight Skulker, Jan 19, 2016

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    Or in my case, hopefully it's still there!
     
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  12. tabletop123, Jan 19, 2016

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    I disagree! Having a real table at home requires very little body adjustment when bellying up to a Casino table. Also, a real table allows you to experiment more effectively with different landing spots, trajectory, etc.

    The practice Rigs dont give you an accurate assesment of your tosses, because some of the tosses hit the sides of the rig. A rig is primarily for watching the mid air flight of the dice.

    I have a better feel for any table that i gamble on, & i can adjust to table conductivity in record time. Now, i claim absolutely no influence, but i feel right at home on any table that i belly up to.

    I've owned several practice Rigs, (i still have half a Craps table rig), but NOTHING compares to practicing on a real table!
     
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  13. Pressit, Jan 19, 2016

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    Nice, fast pickup, smooth delivery, excellent landing, hitting the BW with just enough energy. By any chance you don't know Bucko Bob Fuller do you? Probably not, Bob, a WWII Navy vet is in his 80's, and worked with the great Walt Diem on Dice Magic toss back in the early 2000's. Your toss sort of reminded me of his toss. Nicely done hartzehn22, nicely done.
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jan 19, 2016

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    Let me also add that practicing under Casino conditions is certainly the best tonic, so i agree with you Hartz.

    Once your toss is "Down Pat", Live Action is the only route to go. I actually stopped tossing at home for over a month. Most people will disagree, but once your toss is really versed, practice is not necessary(in terms of having a good release).

    I hadnt touched a Pool Cue in over ten years, & it only took me about an hour to get in stroke. Once you TRULY learn the Mechanics of a craft, its pretty hard to completely lose it.

    I recall times when i couldnt play pool (Incarcerated), & it took me absolutely no time to get right back in "DeadPunch" , & shoot some poor Sap's Dick in the Dirt.

    Believe it or not, i actually played BETTER , after just being released, or bonded out. I ALWAYS played better when hungry, & broke!
     
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  15. TDVegas, Jan 19, 2016

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    Your premise assumes a DI can walk in once a week and win. Pretty far fetched. My thesis is they would wage many battles and win the war of attrition...win 7 of 10 or whatever. 6 of 10. Bigger bankrolls and progression betting to the point where even a 2% edge supplies a nice windfall by years end. I don't think anyone believes anyone can win every damn time or near.
     
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  16. Pressit, Jan 19, 2016

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    You often reference LV with it many casinos, the GVR being 10 minutes from your home, that gives the illusion you play Craps all the time. Truth is you don't. Truth is, you visit the casinos for other reasons than playing craps. I also never see you post your 1040's, W-2g, your banking statements, yet you always ask for these documents as proof. Your favorite statements is, "It doesn't prove anything." So why ask?
     
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  17. TDVegas, Jan 19, 2016

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    Maybe 3-4 times a week. I never said I played with an edge. Far different claim. True--A banking statement doesn't mean a whole lot, but I ask anyway.

    You know anyone who got rich playing craps? I don't.
     
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  18. tabletop123, Jan 19, 2016

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    Listen, some of these guys claim to possess SRR's of 8,9, 10, & beyond. NO, I AM NOT DAVE, & i dont believe bullshit. However, if it WAS true, certainly playing once week would be enough. War of attrition? What friggin war?

    Itd be outright stealing, mugging, raping, pick pocketing with even a SRR of 8. Wouldnt be a battle, War, or fist fight. It'd simply be the Di showing up at his/her own leisure, & sticking it right up the Casino's Ass! Heavy claims(yeah, i know its pure bullshit), a SRR of 7.7 long term.

    Do you realize how powerful that is? You say War of Attrition, i say i'll show up when i dam please, because a SRR of almost 8 is like fighting with one hand tied behind your back. YOU CANT LOSE!

    Maybe you, & Onautopilot can respond, but with that high a SRR, Variance would be a very Minor factor, heh?
     
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  19. TDVegas, Jan 19, 2016

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    Leaving for the Venetian tonight. Would you like a picture confirmation? Where are you playing?
     
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  20. TDVegas, Jan 19, 2016

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    I don't think anyone believes those garbage claims of easy money. I'm assuming a win win lose type of ratio. Trying to be realistic.
     
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