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  1. Liman

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    I was poking at others who feel the need to post rolls they witness.

    it approaches comedy sometimes.
     
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  2. hartzehn22, Aug 9, 2016

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    Liman- I posted my rolls for those aholes that continue to discredit any possibility of DI. I love tracking numbers and it is the only way to know if any kind of influence is REAL. I find tracking rolls particularly helpful for my craps game and it is the only way to know for sure whether I am influencing or not. I'm really surprised that more players don't track their rolls. It's pretty powerful in my opinion.
     
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  3. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 10, 2016

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    I am merely a DI wannabe: have taken no classes (did read Sharpshooter's book though), have no table or practice rig at home, until three weeks ago had not even touched a pair of dice in over two years. Therefore, take the following musings in that context.

    Isn't the main goal of DI to win money? That is how I track my (typically lack of) success. I remember one hand where I threw a ton of hardways and made the guy next to me a bundle. After the hand he congratulated me on a good roll. I was not betting the hardways, did not make my point, and hence lost money. I wanted to kill him.

    I throw no stones at the rolls you posted; if you cleaned up I proffer my congratulations. Retrofitting a betting strategy to historical rolls -- and I am not suggesting you are doing that with your bet-the-10 strategy -- is of academic interest only, however, and probably not even that. Hence were I to issue a challenge my criteria for success would be to specify a betting strategy up front, then track whether or not the alleged DI won or lost. "Should-a, could-a, would-a" doesn't fill your rack; "Did-a, hit-a, win-a" does.
     
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    why are you surprised?
    its only on these type of boards there are groups of believing DI shooters who travel from board to board attempting to convince the non believing world that it works.
    the only proof you want to offer is by posting your rolls?
    why do you think anyone would want to believe you if they don't believe in DI?
    Look how easy it is to make up any sequence of rolls and post them here?
    If you want ANY person to believe you, you have to figure out a way to get real proof.
    get real.
    If you had to go to court to prove DI works do you honestly feel you telling the judge, well , this is how I rolled, but I have no proof, no computer tracking, no videos, nothing but my word judge.
    Let me know how you think that would work out for you.

    your list of rolls means nada to anyone here. Just like my lilst of 100 rolls means nothing.
    funny thing is, I can show the computer screen from a bubble, which would at least be undeniable Proof it did happen. Whether or not I played on that bubble at that specific time could be questioned, but that would be really stretching it, because why would someone sit all day long at a bubble just waiting to take a picture of the history screen?(well, maybe there are some lunatics on this site)

    without proof, you are just wasting your time, not wasting your time sharing your gambling stories, but wasting your time trying to convince any non believer you are actually hitting all those numbers on a regular basis due to DI shooting.

    zero proof. this is the internet. without proof, it means shit.
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Aug 10, 2016

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    It's good to have a full rack,

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  7. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 10, 2016

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    Ah, but did you make money rolling her?
     
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  8. The Midnight Skulker, Aug 10, 2016

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    What about a you-play-with-my-carder?
     
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  9. Twelve4s, Aug 10, 2016

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    No profit, she is definitely a negative expectation game. But the ride was fun !
     
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  10. Pressit, Aug 10, 2016

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    OAP

    Oh I have read what you posted, but my question is what was it you found that didn't conform to your liking, what was the stumbling block. Your last sentence, actually your last paragraph states, "I put some study and time into it years ago to see if I thought it was a viable skill one could develop and exploit at the tables. My conclusions were, probably not!" For a person who is always specific, your response lacks specificity. Some study and time, probably not, sounds like a glance over.

    Maybe you can be more specific. You mention study, what were your source of study, books, audio, video, live seminars? Can you recall any names of the books, courses, authors, presenters? Or was this your own creation? How many years ago did your research take place? How many hours did you expended practicing DI? Were you of the school of PARR (on-axis), or some form of off-axis study? Who did you rely on to correct any flaws? The late Walt Diem was probably the best of the best at the time, and someone a man with your love for math, physics, flight would have enjoyed.

    Now you wrote the following, "am highly skeptical, given the present casino parameters and rules". Exactly what are you referring to? As long as you don't take forever setting the dice, use one hand handling the dice, your toss hits the back-wall the farther away, what would be the casino concerns? Winning to much? If you are experiencing the dreaded so-call "heat", then consider changing venues.

    The only time I ever witness anyone being warned about setting dice was on my recent trip to Aruba, happened at the Marriott Stellaris Casino. They actually have a sign on the table stating, dice setting not allowed. The person was setting 1 die and then the other die, way to obvious, taking way to long, he was told to stop setting the dice or leave, he left. I on the other hand set the dice all the time and nothing was said. In LV, I have never received any warnings about setting the dice, or anyone questioning or disallowing my toss, so I am at a loss as to your statement.

    In all seriousness, should SR and Harley ever present another free dice seminar you may want to attend, as there will be things presented there you will not find no where else. SR and Harley as you know for their keen insight and knowledge into the game of craps, which when implement properly has proven not only very informative, but profitable as well.
     
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  11. Edward-ky, Aug 10, 2016

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    I make a attempt at DI, I have no desire to take any classes or seminars or such. I play the game the way I choose to, whether I win or lose. Prefer to win but crap happens. I have no desire to be a professional gambler. Trying to change people's minds on DI would be the equivalent of finding a positive betting strategy in craps. It's one thing to get on here and say you are a DI and say you do very well at times. But go get on here like some and make it appear you are killing the casinos is a different story. The ol saying if it's too good to be true it probably isnt.
     
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  12. hartzehn22, Aug 10, 2016

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    Liman- whatever lol
     
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  13. Onautopilot, Aug 10, 2016

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    First, what you refer to as heat, never entered my mind when I was taking a look at DC. I was only interested in the physics involved, nothing more....could it be a viable skill one could use to exploit the casinos.

    This was approx..15 years ago I think. I read a lot about it, talked with some so called DC proponents, and had some discussions with Heavy, who at the time was a member of a craps forum I participated in.

    I conduced experiments with various tosses, and distances,on different surfaces. I collated the data, did some mathematical analysis. My conclusions were, I could exert some control over short distances with a flat back wall. As the distances became greater, the control diminished to a point that it became indistiquisable from random expectation.

    If there were still some "influence", I was unwilling to spend the time to do thousands of rolls to either rule it out, or identify it. I had satisfied myself that DC was not something I felt was a viable skill that one could exploit the casinos with.

    That does not mean I totally dismissed it, it just means, that in my opinion, I was not going to master it to the level that I felt would be worth any further effort on my part. I also felt that, if any, not many people were ever going to master it either!

    Did I put in the necessary effort and time to truly give DC a chance? Maybe not in many DC proponents minds, but for me, yes!

    That is the extent of it as far as I am concerned, and I am no longer interested in devoting further time to DC.

    I have never said it is not a possibility, nor have I ever put anyone down for practicing DC. I have however, questioned some extraordinary claims of some DC proponents, and will probably continue to do so.

    I am answering you because you seemed sincere in asking...to some extent anyway. And for me, this ends it.

    I do not claim I did any valid study of DC, I just did "my" study. Also, I use DC, because, in my opinion that is what it should be called. All the other name modifications are nothing more than some "selling" effort".

    I hope you find what you are looking for with any effort you put into this, and enjoy some winning at the casino!
     
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  14. Edward-ky, Aug 10, 2016

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    Well I will give another effort to see if I can make it a 3 in a row positive session.
     
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  15. Edward-ky, Aug 10, 2016

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    Not bad for 20 buck buy in
     
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  17. lone irish digit, Aug 10, 2016

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    Now u pissed me off. Never play 4 credits if u can afford 5.
     
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  18. Edward-ky, Aug 10, 2016

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    Caps table was empty so I though I would give the job a try and about 10 minutes up 75. Played a little longer and was up to 99 figured I would get to a 100 or 95 then cash out. Ended at 95. So that is like 450 he isn't it. LOL wish it were that simple and easy.
     
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  19. Edward-ky, Aug 10, 2016

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    I started off on 1 credit. They need a voice to say push the button push the f'in button dumbass!
     
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  20. Edward-ky, Aug 10, 2016

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    I may have to work on my JOB control. That may be more obtainable then craps DC!
     
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