Can You Beat Random Games with Betting Strategies?

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  1. FrankScoblete, Dec 12, 2015

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    DeMango is wrong. No casino will publicize large wins at the tables or epic rolls by players. They need the permission of the player. Fujitake and DeMauro both gave permission. I wrote an article about DeMauro just after it happened. She is a very nice woman.

    I am not sure how people who claim to go to casinos have not been on big rolls and have not seen what is done.

    I was at the table at Venetian when a Hollywood producer won a little over a million. It was never written about. (Luckily I was at the table.) The next night (this is sad), the guy lost 1.4 million. He was not a pleasant guy so my sadness for his fate was not all that great.

    The restaurant with the Captain and the Crew was at the Castle. It was the one with the great view of Atlantic City's skyline. It is now the Chart House but I can't remember what name it was in 1990.
     
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  2. Onautopilot, Dec 12, 2015

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    When I tell you a story, I am not telling you exactly how it was, I am just telling you how I remember it. It is your choice to accept or reject the validity of the story. The only time I feel the need to defend the story, is when I have an agenda connected to it.

    There is a difference between just sharing and selling!

    Frank is selling a book/s, in the books, he is sharing stories, he has an agenda, and sometimes finds a need to defend the stories. It's the nature of the "professional" story tellers....especially todays politicians. :)
     
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  3. black3car, Dec 12, 2015

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    As some of you may know I have been using my craps trainer app on my tablet to "test" betting strategies. I see a strategy on here and I play it exactly as I interpret how the strategy was explained. I may not be playing as the OP'er of the strategy intended but I try. I have "played" 10 different strategies so far, each for 5000 rolls and the winner hands down is as follows...

    $5 minimum table with 3x 4x 5x odds.

    $5 Don't pass bet with maximum odds layed once the point is made. No other bets. This "strategy" has one out by quite a margin in my tests. Again, I do not deviate from the strategy I am testing during the 5000 rolls.

    Just wanted to post what I've come up with so far. Do with it what you wish which includes do nothing. :D

    Doing this and not deviating has actually helped me to accept what the math guys say as far as not paying attention to the "feeling" or "voodoo" method with I used to do. I'm starting to come to the conclusion there is nothing we players can do except place the bets, decide how much to bet, when to quit, and roll the dice. As long as we aren't the only player at the table we don't even have to throw the dice. My 2 cents.
     
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  4. Liman

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    sorry, frank did tell me but I forgot.
    I didn't think at that moment Id get asked.
    no harm, no foul.(I do recall he mentioned the restaurant might have been on an upper level)

    monster rolls? incredible decks at blackjack, untold stories......

    well, I will swear on the eyes of my children a monster night at craps(although its been some time now, and again, I don't recall if he was playing craps back then or blackjack, he changed back and forth) that happened for my stepfather and his *team*, (just being funny, hes craps buddy).
    I know this happened, because I picked him up along with my mother at kennedy airport in his company's Cadillac Fleetwood.(I was maybe 19, 20, and it was a thrill for me to drive that huge luxury boat, took my girl(now my wife) for a spin)

    My mother and him were down in one of the islands, not even sure which one, PR, curacao, they went to the islands a lot, as he loved to gamble and fish.
    Him and his buddy won so much money the night before, the casino could not pay them. They had to wait until moring until the casino checked out all the registers and he got paid the last part of his winnings in 10s and 20s. Bricks.
    The casino had to contact the airline and ask them to delay the flight, which they obliged the casino.
    when he got into the car, and I asked them how was their trip, he took out bricks of cash with rubber bands. I didn't ask how much.
    I also didn't see one cent of that money, but he treated me ok for a stepson, better than his own son, so I never complained.
    Ofcourse, he wasn't always lucky, but that was the most amazing thing I ever witnessed as far as casinos go. And the casino in no way or form ever advertised how much they got taken for, but I was led to believe those small island casinos back then didn't keep a helluva lot of cash around, so maybe it was only 50-100 grand.
    And that is a 100% true story, I saw the cash and my mother wasn't happy they had to wait to be paid and delayed. (happy they won,)

    The only other thing that was exciting for me in a casino, the day I played craps with Richard Belzer at ballys park place.
    My wife, him and me and his buddy, that was it at the table at first.
    My wife kept whispering to me, is that rick belzer(we knew him back when he hosted catch a rising star in manhattan, he was the MC), he just turned to my wife, and very loudly, almost yelling said, Just ask me already!!!!!! are you rick belzer, he said, no, Im Richard belzer.
    And we had a ball because I had monster roll of 5's and 9's.
    I made a few buck, he did very well.
    Exciting for me to play with a celebrity we admired.

    and Ive been on tables where Ive seen 100 thousand dollar buy ins.

    and one more, my wife held the dice for 90 minutes at least in the sahara hotel the night we saw Rich Little in the show room there.
    They roped off the table with security because the betting on the other end of the table was above table limits, the big shots asked to higher limits and they granted it .
    I was a newbie, the pit boss covered my pass line bet with his hand, and begged me to raise my bets, explaining very few people roll this good. I was nervous.
    Id say, 1980 or 81, right before we had kids.
    Noone put my wifes name up on a board or gave her a mention.

    my fil once rolled for he claimed was 90 minutes also, and at the end, someone walked over to him and handed him his gold bracelet as a thankyou.

    90 minutes , these are monster rolls.




    Id like to know at what p;oint does a casino feel the need to post up a notice of a huge winner at a craps table. 2 hours, 1 hour 45 minutes?
     
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    and for future reference, I apologize in advance, every single thing people tell me or things I witness in casinos, well, Im not perfect and I forget not because Im senile, but because certain things I feel don't need to be processed to be remembered.
    I meet a lot of people in casinos, and I play a shitload of dice, and after a while, a few weeks later sometimes, it all blends in. some things stand out, most blends in.
    so if someone asks me something, I might not offer a correct answer if I don't recall, but I will always mention that with the answer if Im not 100% sure.
    I don't write down everything, I don't track my play with paper and pencil.
     
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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Dec 12, 2015

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    I have witnessed two such, and in neither case do I recall anything unusual happening (e.g. suit talking to shooter; bells, whistles, announcements; published stories). My own personal bests are a couple hands in the 40-45 minute range (not actually timed, based on dealer rotations), one at Foxwoods and another at Spirit Mountain (Native American joint in Grand Ronde, OR).
     
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  7. FrankScoblete, Dec 12, 2015

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    Harbor View! (I think that was the restaurant at Castle.)
     
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  8. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 12, 2015

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    Now for the poopshoot! (if you don't know what this means, you will find out now)

    Frank has no support when it comes to The Capetian and his crew. Frank has asked in his last book, 'Why none of the crew (who he claims numbers in 22) has never come out and supported me'.

    The critics are quick to point out that Frank writes fiction, and even his own ex-partner now says Frank last book is 'pure fiction'.

    So straight from the ol, poopshoot, I will say that Frank is attempting to simply buy himself a following within the Craps online community by simply giving them free books. In a lot of ways this is to deflect the criticism, for when you give a person a book they are less likely to publicly point out 'the obvious' or to simply chime give tacit support to Frank.

    Just about everyone who gambles I know has read one of Franks books. Nobody believes that The Captain exist, but rather is just a way that Frank sells Dice Control. It is just like the other setups we see on the internet: "My uncle who is a millionaire showed me one of his secrets to make money". Or, "An old man who I was Gardner for, one day out of the blue showed me his secret for making money"... And it is all variations of this story how some secret of success came to be know, and now YOU can know it too for the price of a book, seminar, or tuition fees.

    Think what you want to about Frank. I simply see him still working the same scam as always.
     
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  9. Liman

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    what scam is frank working?

    he gives away his books free to anyone that asks.

    hes not trying to sell di classes. or is he?

    Is he trying to profit anyway using this site?

    I have no allegiance to anyone here, but there is a lot of animosity towards so many people........even me, being called all kind of names because I don't believe in DI.
    Just from stating my opinion, I got berated constantly.

    seems the craps world is a very angry place.
    and people from this board, or that board, continuously attack people they don't agree with, on every board. this is what I get from reading a lot of the posts here.
     
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  10. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 12, 2015

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    Can't you figure it out? Its the reviews he needs on Amazon and other online sites. 5-Star reviews equals SALES.
     
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  11. Liman

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    I don't think you are giving him good reviews.

    I have to go run a scam on my wife now.

    Im hoping to get lucky tonight, gotta figure out what scam I can run on her to get her to agree.
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Dec 12, 2015

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    Sounds like good business sense to me, I certainly don't have a problem with it. Also, I have not seen Frank scamming anyone on this site, ever.

    I have read a lot of books, some are great, some are less than great, and some, I just shrug my shoulders.....I never directly attack the author though, might question the content though.

    Sounds like you have some personal problem with Frank, why don't you deal with that directly instead of indirectly on public forums?
     
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  13. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 12, 2015

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    Every author is told to send out books to family, friends and those in the industry for free, so they can write reviews.

    Heh...
    Frank writes fiction but passes it off as historical fact, such as The Captain. Frank writes about Dice Control as a Fact, when there is no proof to support anything he claims about it. This has created an hostile atmosphere in the casinos towards anyone who set dice, tosses with anything but a random toss, and if God Forbid, a short throw occurs, the poor shooter gets jumped on by the boxman and pitboss with threats of taking away the dice or, being 86'ed all together. I seen old guys who have no clue about Dice Control get serious heat for just not hitting the back wall. All thanks to Frank writing fiction that has scared the casinos.

    Why is not Frank over on the blackjack sites promoting his Book, 'I am a card counter' and his speed count? Because they know he is NOT what he says he is, and that speed count is one of the weakest counting methods out there. It may be that only Frank uses it....and how goes that Frank?
     
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  14. Onautopilot, Dec 12, 2015

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    I seriously doubt that Frank is the reason the casinos enforce their rules! They were doing that before Frank wrote his first book, or any DI school was in business. "You have to hit the back wall, sir!", has been echoing through the craps area of every casino for many decades, it is a constant, and always has been.

    Maybe it has increased with all the hype about DI, but to blame one person is or the DI community, for the casino telling someone to abide by the rules is a bit of a stretch!
     
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  15. FrankScoblete, Dec 12, 2015

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    Poopshoot is wrong. It is the exact reverse of his thesis. I'm giving because I've gotten.

    My books are big sellers --- have been since my very first one over 25 years ago. I don't need to give out a couple of thousand free copies to get an audience. The audience is there already and has been for a quarter of a century. For many years I've written for the top gambling magazines and newspapers. That is a huge audience and those folks (I'm guessing) buy my books.

    My television shows are highly rated and one I did for History channel is the highest rated gambling show they ever produced (well, it was a few years ago, I've lost track since then).

    And I did give out free copies of my blackjack books and my slot book and my other books on other sites, some of them blackjack sites. I also gave out free copies of my two non-gambling books. This is something new for me. I enjoy doing it.

    Poopshoot should read my post above. After the first 30 books I get free from the publisher I have to pay for them.

    I do not ask for or push for reviews on Amazon or any other site from people on this or those other sites. The overwhelming majority of readers never write a review.

    As for the existence of the Captain, once again, I name people in the book who knew him, who played with him at the tables and I even give the name of his main host way-back-when and a casino executive who wrote about him and his Crew in a famous gambling book.

    I also have a picture of him with his Crew that I showed Liman and the thousands of people who attended my Frank Scoblete Gamblers' Jamborees. I also mentioned Satch, who is still alive, who met many people when he taught dice control classes and he told his stories about the Captain and that wonderful time. More than that I can't and/or won't do.

    Now after all of the above, if you don't believe the Captain existed then...well then, nothing. No one forces anyone to buy my books or even to ask for a free copy.

    I am somewhat amazed that people have such strong opinions about things they know little or nothing about.
     
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  16. tabletop123, Dec 12, 2015

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    Frank, you are รค true gentleman. Maybe the Captain did exist. Still dont believe the Miraculous rolls.
     
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  17. tabletop123, Dec 12, 2015

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    Tell you what i do believe In......
    The Captain' s five Count. Most say it's a totally useless System, because You're starting the betting process when the devil is more prone to show (Due theory? ).

    I Know that it CERTAINLY works for me, more times than NOT! No, it's not advantage play, but it's saved me a ton of money by not being on those short rolls.
     
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  18. The Midnight Skulker, Dec 16, 2015

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    I should undoubtedly let sleeping dogs lie, but (with apologies to The Bard) methinks those who so violently dispute the existence of The Captain "doth protest too much". With similar apologies to Samuel L. Jackson, "What's in your agenda?"

    I could not care less if The Captain, Satch, The Arm, Jimmy Somebody, and the rest of The Crew are real people or not. Their alleged tales make for interesting reading IMHO. I doubt MacShayne was a real person but I still enjoyed the movie.
     
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  19. Craps Poopshoot, Dec 16, 2015

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    This is perhaps the most sensible attitude yet.
     
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  20. TDVegas, Dec 17, 2015

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    But somehow your claims of thousands making a living playing craps and video poker is fact? Where is your proof?

    What you say about Frank's claims...the same can be said about yours. At least he's published.
     
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