" Am I am on the right track?

Discussion in 'Dice Influencing' started by Dave G Ct, Dec 30, 2018.

  1. HornHiYo, Jan 9, 2019

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    You post: "Now they can stop their whinning about anyone that tries to beat the table."

    I think that is your imagination. So my question is: "Show one post where someone is whinning about anyone that tries to beat the table."

    It's simple. Can you do that?
     
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  2. TDVegas, Jan 9, 2019

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    That's right. The reason for that is because I believe the game is random.

    Explain why it is ok for you to have your beliefs the game isn't random...but others cannot hold a different belief? No one is proving long term betterment. We have no record of everyone's results. There is no leaderboard. We are all expressing opinions of (as read here)....some say "I'm better".

    I'm sure there will be times where a player will shoot better than me and I'm sure there will be times I shoot better. Beyond that...how the hell do you want to check long term shooting results between 2 players?

    You and I will mean out around 6 SRR after 40,000 rolls...give or take a .01, .02.

    That's my belief. You believe whatever you want.

    No one here is going to bow down to anyone else, nor should you. If it makes you feel good to bow, go for it. There are a few that will accept your bow.
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Jan 9, 2019

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    That is simple.

    If the game is 100% random, like TDV says, there is nothing to try,
    no class will help, no set will help.....if your drunk or sober that wont
    help.....nothing matters.....you win some, you lose more...there is nothing to
    try.....useless effort.

    Try means you dont accept that notion that nothing matters, that the game is
    hopelessly random, that everything is variance...I dont accept notion, James
    does not accept that notion...…

    Horn , here is the thing, and there is no way to get around it, if anything that
    I believe is true, if anything James believes is true, if anything Linaway or Rick
    believes is true, if I can make a set change and change the number orientation,
    If Rick can use one shot or another and affect the results, if Top as he has said
    can see a player having a small advantage at times....if any of that is true, then
    all of TDV thousands of posts are bull shit..




    tdb
     
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  4. DeMango, Jan 9, 2019

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    If no one cares shut up. If you can only talk with AssHall do it privately like the rest of us have private conversations.

    But no, you have to let everyone know how good you are despite your protestations
     
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  5. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2019

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    So....it's a " Dead Heat"....a Draw....a push. You guys believe in one thing, TD believes in another. Where's the problem?

    Dice Influencer's say " it works", & YOU can beat the game.
    Naysayers say: " Its all random".

    Two opposing views.....Problem solved.

    Well.....maybe NOT. Here's why.....Dice Influencer's say: Don't tell other newbie players that are " on the fence" that it doesn't work because you give them no hope, no chance at beating the game.

    In other words.....You're spreading venom.

    The Naysayers say....Its a Scam. It doesn't exist. The game is random.

    Neither side can prove anything. However, the Casinos say: " Come one, come all, as long as both dice don't slide. don't go above the rail, & hit the back wall.

    Why not just let it go.....AT THAT?
    How many time can you walk around in the same circle, before it comes apparent that your wearing a hole in your shoes?

    It doesn't make much sense to walk a mile for a " Camel". ( Cigarette)....UNLESS you're hopeless, & HIGHLY addicted.
     
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  6. HornHiYo, Jan 9, 2019

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    Hmmm..... I'm carefully reviewing your post and I don't see your reference to the posts showing where someone is whinning about anyone that tries to beat the table.
     
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  7. TDVegas, Jan 9, 2019

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    So. Go. I've never told anyone not to attempt it. If you feel you have your own standards for proving it works...so be it. Your standards for proof would not hold up under scientific trials...but that's neither here nor there. I think the WofV guys gave you that lecture. A trial of proof would take a while and you don't get to set standards. You didn't accept that. So be it. You have your own methods. Wonderful for you.
    That's correct....the key word you use "if" is the kicker.

    In any approach to proving something...YOU don't get to make the standards in the study for provability. A 3rd party would set or determine those standards.

    As I've stated I don't think DI could really ever be dis-proven or proven without a long, drawn out scientific study. No one is going to do that.

    So...go forth and be happy, Billy. My beliefs should have ZERO bearing on what you do or your happiness here.

    We agree to disagree. Leave it at that. I've generally tried to stay out of DI specific conversations on "set for this"...."landing"....."shot types" etc....

    Because I know nothing of that. Provability?, this guy is better than the randie?, outrageous SRR claims?, things like that...yes, I've been in those conversations.

    I enjoy the conversations but I've tried to curtail injecting myself into those conversations over the past couple years.

    In the end, everyone is trying to win. I leave it at that. On DI player vs. randie player, "us vs. them"? This is like political talk at a family gathering....probably not a good idea. There's really only one guy trying to create that issue here. JH.
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Jan 9, 2019

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    I thought you did not care...

    tdb
     
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  9. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2019

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    Listen....everyone has the right to express their opinions on the open forum, but I kinda agree with Demango.

    If I was met with such resistance on a DAILY basis.....if no one but 2-3 members was interested in my opinion.....In what I had to say. If no one else gave a Rat's Ass about my Records, .....classes taken, accomplishments, wins/losses, what Casinos I played at. How much I bet, what tosses I use......I'd simply confine my conversations/posts to the 2-3 forum members that ARE interested, tell everyone else to kiss my Ass, & PROMPTLY put them on ignore.

    Why continue to argue with those that have no interest WHATSOEVER? It just doesn't make sense.

    As I said before...this forum is for everyone, but personally........shit gets old & sometimes it's less frustrating to try alternative methods when you are constantly involved in unecessary cat-fights.

    Would the debates/arguments stop if everyone conceded? Said: Billy, we believe that influence is real, that you win more than you lose, that James assaults the Vaults, & that you have longer rolls with dice Set adjustments, & that you DO have a long term SRR of over 8?

    Maybe we should all just say: " Yeah Billy....we respect the hard work that you've put in over the years".

    I can no longer use a toss that I've had good results with because of an arthritic hand.
    Being FORCED to start over with a totally new toss that was completely foreign to me, because it's an unconventional toss that only a few use.

    Who's gonna recognize THAT? Who's gonna say: " Atta boy"..hang in thereTop?

    Who really give a Rat's Ass?
    If you're winning...just continue to win, & don't worry about having discussions with those that don't care.
    The ignore feature is a good thing, Billy.
     
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  10. von duck, Jan 9, 2019

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    That is correct TDB, but that guy ain't DeMango, so maybe HE does. :cool:
     
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  11. twodicebilly, Jan 9, 2019

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    We agree to disagree. Leave it at that. I've generally tried to stay out of DI specific conversations on "set for this"...."landing"....."shot types" etc....

    Because I know nothing of that. Provability?, this guy is better than the randie?, outrageous SRR claims?, things like that...yes, I've been in those conversations.

    I enjoy the conversations but I've tried to curtail injecting myself into those conversations over the past couple years.

    In the end, everyone is trying to win. I leave it at that. On DI player vs. randie player, "us vs. them"? This is like political talk at a family gathering....probably not a good idea.

    you could have said that two years ago and this would be a completely different site.

    tdb
     
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  12. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2019

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    Currently " SAID, & DONE"!
    Truce?
     
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  13. TDVegas, Jan 9, 2019

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    We are basically on the same page. As I see it....January, 2019----there is only one guy in here trying to create problems, adversity, us vs. them, randie vs. DI.

    We all know who that is. He can be ignored for the most part.

    Beyond that...the forum works fine. Best out there. If Billy wanted to be with like minded people...he could find that. Who cares if the other forum doesn't work as easy? Better to be where someone is with like minded people. Or is it?;)

    30 guys rowing on the same side and the boat goes in circles.
     
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  14. twodicebilly, Jan 9, 2019

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    thanks for the effort, you went out of your way to help....

    To bad everyone did not appreciate that

    tdb
     
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  15. Dave G Ct, Jan 9, 2019

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    For all the people DeMango has on ignore how is it he is in the middle of every conversation? Very strange. With ignore activated you would not be privy to each back and forth.
     
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  16. TDVegas, Jan 9, 2019

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    There’s only one guy here...2019, trying to pit you vs. me, randie vs. DI, “us vs. them”, player vs. player.

    It’s not you. It’s not me. It’s not Top. It’s not Demango.

    I know you don’t want to address it...and that’s fine. Understood.

    The rest here have essentially taken a live and let live tone.

    We ALL want to win. Isn’t that the point? We ALL take our own approaches.

    Validation, affirmation might not be a part of that. So what?
     
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  17. TDVegas, Jan 9, 2019

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    Point taken. I probably could have taken a different, softer approach to my opinion. It is just my opinion.

    I still think I would have been called a “fucking ass-wipe moron” by the guy who was recently banned from the forum...nevertheless....

    Here and now...as of 2019, my point stands. One problem.
     
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  18. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2019

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    Let's just discuss winning, or better still.....Linaway's material. Should be a pretty interesting conversation, because Linaway's stuff is pure fact, & not argumentative.

    Now, the debates may develop as to HOW to use the material, but nevertheless......just like the Top numbers that pay you.....it's not based upon Dice Influencing , or opinion.

    Dice Influencing discussions are always boring, because they normally resort to " I, Me, or My".
     
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  19. tabletop123, Jan 9, 2019

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    Another thing Billy.....UNTIL I personally witness a guy that CONSISTENTLY ( minimum 70-% of the time) tosses 10 roll hands, or better....my position on Dice Influencing remains the same.......Fleeting.

    I don't think there will ever be more than a .5% advantage for a skilled shooter.....long term.

    I just viewed a video of a professional Blackjack player get his nuts clipped down to the bare bones minimum,...... & Blackjack players have a mathematically backed 2% advantage.
     
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  20. DeMango, Jan 9, 2019

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    Ahh Dave trying to keep up with the AssHall ‘s of the world. So I have AssHall, LID and Von Schmuck on ignore. Please find one relevant post worth reading from them! And yes with all the folks arguing with AssHall, you pretty much get the gist of his worthless posts.
     
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