Wonder why Twelve4s retired?

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  1. von duck, Oct 27, 2017

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    Whatever alternative lifestyle DeMango chooses, is his own business. I wish both him and cognito all the best.:D.
     
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  2. James Hall, Oct 27, 2017

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    my understanding is I said something that made him angry or hurt his feelings and cognito grabbed him and swept him away into hiding
     
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  3. von duck, Oct 27, 2017

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    You must have left him very "vulnerable" SIR. :).
     
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  4. James Hall, Oct 27, 2017

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    Demango has put me on ignore 2 or 3 times , the time before last he took me off ignore I was basically given a warning
    I guess I will never learn , when DeMango gives you a warning it's serious
     
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  5. yacraps, Oct 27, 2017

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    Here..Here..and salute ;)
     
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  6. The Midnight Skulker, Oct 31, 2017

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    I agree with everything you said in the referenced post, but I feel compelled to expand on the part I have quoted. Many system authors claim their system beats the house, and justify that claim by citing a won-lost percentage. Caveat emptor. A Simple Martingale wins more series than it loses, but over time in a negative expectation game the total amount lost exceeds the total amount won. To beat the house a system must show, mathematically, a positive expected value. No system can do that without assuming some ability to predict future results, an assumption that should be seriously challenged.

    Nevertheless, I do not trash a system out of hand..so long as its author explicitly states what it is designed to accomplish (other than long term profit, of course). For example, a Simple Martingale is a reasonable system to use for a series or two if one wants only to have the casino pay for a trip through the all-you-can-eat buffet, and has sufficient resources in reserve should that system's rare catastrophic loss occur.
     
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  7. DeMango, Oct 31, 2017

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    In case Liman is wondering, the DeMango system is not for sale.

    Beautiful cool day in Florida.
    Beautiful troll free day at Craps Forum.
    Dave must have put on a mask and.....
     
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  8. random_roller, Oct 31, 2017

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    You forgot new (interim) head football coach at UF...
     
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  9. DeMango, Oct 31, 2017

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    Yes, I got my wish! But Shannon got fired at UM. Sometimes it isn't so much the head coach, but the recruiting. Any way Spurriers ex OC would be nice - Stoops!
     
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  10. random_roller, Oct 31, 2017

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    Wasn't (Bob) Stoops the DC under Spurrier? He's a very good coach -- got those Ohio ties. Nothing against Florida, but I'm not sure why he'd want to get back into coaching. Time to enjoy life, travel the world, watch the grandchildren progress through life...
     
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  11. DeMango, Oct 31, 2017

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    You may be right, he was the assistant. Defense needs a lot of help too. Maybe Spurrier comes back as an OC!!!
     
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  12. DeMango, Oct 31, 2017

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    Back to original topic. Cannot miss him, I have all comedians on ignore. This is the craps forum.

    (Feeling guilty for going off topic)
     
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  13. von duck, Oct 31, 2017

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    We don't give a shit, who you have on ignore.:)
     
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  14. lone irish digit, Oct 31, 2017

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    Pretty soon Demango or the House of Orange will pass me by having more people on ignore than me and he will be the top asshole on the forum.
     
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  15. von duck, Oct 31, 2017

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    That guy needs a hat, your avatar.:)
     
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  16. TDVegas, Oct 31, 2017

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    Yep. As noted below. Based on this sales pitch...."The Strategy" means nothing, IMO. I can simply put together a strategy to ensure this. Buyer beware. "Substantial" is merely a subjective word.
    Not so "very simple"....Obie. Sorry.

    There were also rumors of multiple +$20,000 session losses (which cautions the Marty concerns)....which were neither confirmed or denied. Strange, based on the fact that they are so freely willing to discuss just about everything else.
     
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  17. The Midnight Skulker, Nov 1, 2017

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    It just occurred to me that this caveat also applies to coaching scams where the mark...I mean, student...puts up the stake and pays the coach nothing if he loses, but splits any profits. Put together a convoluted losing progression complete with printed charts in multiple fonts and colors, and 8x10 colored glossy pictures with circles and arrows and explanatory paragraphs on the back ... OK, I may have that last part mixed up with an after glow session some students attend at Alice's Restaurant, but with enough mumbo jumbo a coffee mug obtainable for 99¢ at WalMart (or $2.49 w/coffee at Alice's Restaurant) can be passed off as the Holy Grail.
     
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  18. TDVegas, Nov 1, 2017

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    Ah yes..”your money, my system, we split win”—one of the oldest grifts in Vegas, and with the proliferation of gaming, now applying to the continental 47. The "nice" guy will only take a smaller percentage. "How bout 20%"...?

    Almost as bad (or worse), the “after glow” fee.

    I’m looking into one of those for my bubble play...I do get that red light to "glow” once in a while (20+ rolls).

    Appropriate.

    I think the only thing that is more perplexing is that human beings will fall for this stuff.
     
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  19. Onautopilot, Nov 1, 2017

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    Greed, Fear, or Love........write a half way decent script for playing to one of those motivations, and you have your "mark". People seem to lose their senses, when experiencing one of those emotions. :)
     
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  20. TDVegas, Nov 1, 2017

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    Stupidity is not part of the 3 you listed?:)
     
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