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Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Gary mead, Aug 28, 2017.
Better yet, as someone has already stated, start with a larger fortune.
That IS better.
For the 444, you will need to buy-in for $7000 at a $5 table, and start with $32 across - unless the table limit is $5000.
The dealers will do one of two things:
1) raise their eyebrows and expect something interesting, or
2) say, "I've seen this."
If the dealers take option (2), you should ask, "Did it work?"
Out of curiosity, I looked at doing this on a $10 table last year. However, level 4 exceeded the table limit.
In the end, I decided that $6,000 to $12,000 is a lot of money to make $20 per hand, and leave a session when I hit $200. Then to do it 5 times a day would be very tiring to me for so little.
I decided, instead, to buy-in for $1,000, and end my day when my buy-in was 3x. Sometimes I settle for 2x. It takes me 1 to 3 sessions in a day. It's taken a lot of work to get to this point, but it's doable for me. It's worked for me for the last 6 months (I've been at craps for shy of 2 years).
Slowly plodding along at $20 per hand is more like BlackJack to me, than like craps. But, yes, I am very interested in how it goes for you. Ignore the naysayers' insults and share your experience.
hmmm must be interesting=) I never tried no strategy!=))
Then you haven't played craps
Arch Stanton did a great review of that garbage system on Youtube. Look up arch stanton and you'll find it. The problem is tables have minimums and maximums for a reason. It's simply a martingale system and never works over the long haul. That guy that put out the 444 video also has one on Pass/Dont Pass and that one's garbage too.
Gary go out and buy John Patricks' book Advanced Craps. That's a Craps Bible.
if you got this bankroll YOU WILL RUN INTO 6-7 POINT OUTS! IT HAPPENS ITS DICE,
YOU ARE BETTER off starting with the 32 and pressing until you get $200, your chances are better and they cant get into your bankroll. 10 7 outs you only lose $320, 11th shooter can roll for 10 minutes and with pressing and not taking any same bets you can get a 9 to $360 take the next hit for $500 and down and youre ahead without stress.....been gambling since 92 seen alot!
I tried this on Wizard of Odds, and you're right - it did work! 5 for 5 by my standard of "Winning $300 before losing $300".
Now, I am not a big gambler, so I did 2 versions slightly modified for what I knew I would do in a casino with real money on the line:
L1: $32 across
L2: $32 across again
L3: $180 across
L4: $950 across
My feeling was that I could overcome a $32 loss by future L1 successes.
L1: $45 across with a $5 field
L2: $45 across with a $5 field
L3: $180 across
L4: $950 across
Same principle applies in overcoming that L1 loss with future L1 victories. The obvious added feature of the second version is getting a win on 2,3,11 and 12, and an extra $5 on 4,9 and 10.
I'm going to keep trying it this week. I'm heading to Vegas next week and plan on trying it for real there - I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks for posting this!
I'll bet it did win on the wizards site, I'll also bet that it does NOT fare so well in real play, but I'm not rooting against you. TEAR THEIR ASS UP..
If your betting the L4, $5038 across, your asshole will be drawn up so tight, that if you fart, it will sound like a siren, just sayin. .
Because they'll all be talking in the breakroom about the dickhead that is making them work, especially if it's a full table. Unless you are tipping extremely well, they hate people who regress or make bets out of the ordinary.
I have observed the dealer reactions toward other players at a table that I or the dealers would consider "high maintenance".
I get a kick out of the expert dealers who regularly leave up my come bet with a come out seven.
Of course the majority of them get it right, but there have been times when such a loser has sat through more than one seven out.
One time, I was so amused by this that, immediately after come out seven followed by established point, I told the dealer who left me up at least 3 times "kick up the odds on my come bet". Finally, he realized his mistake and pushed the chips, including odds already out, back to me.
Live and learn, I guess.
if you play long enough, you see about everything. Sometimes you'll run into an "all day hardway" dealer who forgets to take them down, same for C&E's.
I also saw a guy get told he would be 86'd if he kept making $78.00 six or eight bets.
It's always a crap shoot on what you will get for dealer quality. Sometimes even the good dealers have bad days depending on what else is going on in their life.
There are times it is a mistake and there are times it is not.
I have seen a lot of dealers leave one if you are tipping them and then the second they
do not leave go.
And I am not going to correct them, I did one time and the frown I got from the dealer
told the entire story " you dumbshit I did not leave it up by mistake"
I used to return overpays and throw left losers to them, but after seeing some of the shit they pull these days, l no longer do. If the dealer, the stick, the box, and the " Heffer" miss the bet, tough shit. . They miss a lot more than they think, too.
If you could see the little quote bubble above the dealers head (or other players) that says what he is thinking....
"Please send this high maintenance a-hole to bubble craps"
"Making us work our asses off and doesn't tip"
"35 chip moves, up and down, back and forth....and he made $4 on the hand"
Ain't that a bitch? By the way, this thread is "winning craps strategy" so you seem a little out of place. .
All threads have an ebb and flow. Sometimes they go off track, off topic....and then they get back on track. Then again, they may go wayward. Then back on topic. This is generally how it works here.
Don't worry, we see these type of statements from inexperienced newbies to the forum. Eventually they get up to speed and realize how it works. You'll be fine. Keep trying.