Winning Craps Strategy

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Gary mead, Aug 28, 2017.

  1. Gary mead, Aug 28, 2017

    Gary mead

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    I recently ran across this 444 method of play. I've run hundreds of trials on wizard of odds and it keeps winning. The originator said he sets out to Win $200 at a table 5 times in a day for a nice $1000 per day profit.

    His claim is that for every 10 days you will lose one bank roll on average. The bank roll is $6200. This would net $4000 net profit every 10 days playing with this size bankroll.

    I'm planing on putting it into action for real soon. I just want to share if with you to find the flaws in it, if any.

    It's a place bet method that increase the bets after a loss. After a win you go back to level 1.
    L1 is $32 across (4-10)
    L2 is $182 across
    L3 is $954 across
    L4 is $5038 across

    Basically it's saying 4 shooters in a row won't roll point, then 7 out on next roll.

    24 ways to roll 4,5,6,8,9,10
    6 ways to roll a 7 so it's 4/1 in your favor for that one roll.

    Gotten to L4 3 times but so far never lost the roll. I run trials every day several times a day but this thing method really works.

    I would love any comments or concerns as I'm serious about trying it and learning more.

    Thanks
     
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  2. twodicebilly, Aug 28, 2017

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    good luck with that.

    But I hope you have lots of money.
    Just remember it is not uncommon to have 2,3,4,5,6 sevens outs in a row.....just four in a row would mean your out thousands and would require 24 place bet hits in a row just to break even.... The real problem with across the board bets is even if they hit 2-3 hits on each roll you still lose 3-4 so it is not just the 7 outs that can get you.

    but if it works for you do it.

    tdb
     
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  3. Gary mead, Aug 28, 2017

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    Thanks for the reply, but I think you missed the exact method. I know many shooters roll without making a point but this would have to be the very next roll. Point, then 7 out on the next roll with 4 different shooters is very very rare.
     
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  4. tabletop123, Aug 28, 2017

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    Across, & ANY global bets from,the "get go" is a sure-fire way to go broke. Nothing wrong with spreading out as the hand develops, but 3-6 wagers ( two bets starting the hand is risky) from the start is a monumental task.

    I had to learn things the hard way. You have to bet "Smart" when you're wagering your cash.
     
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  5. tabletop123, Aug 28, 2017

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    Just wait until ya see that "rarity" happen. I have seen the Dice go through 5-6 players MANY times with Point-Seven Outs! It does happen ENOUGH to bury you.
     
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  6. Gary mead, Aug 28, 2017

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    I've already seen it happen. I said it's rare because it is "rare". Not saying it can't ever happen. I'm just basing my assessment on odds. It's 4/1 in my favor on any given roll. Of course long shots or rare occurrences happen. I've just seen great success in any and all trial runs.

    As long as it doesn't go point 7, point 7, point 7, point 7 more than once every 10 sessions the method would produce a nice profit.
     
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  7. tabletop123, Aug 28, 2017

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    How many hits are you taking per shooter? Is this a one hit, & down system? There are no betting systems that can beat the Casinos.

    I gotta go with TDVegas.....Learn to cheat without getting caught ( not recommended), or learn to REALLY influence the dice (not delusional thinking). Lol
     
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  8. twodicebilly, Aug 28, 2017

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    gary


    I have played over 40 years now, and play 80-90
    days a year away from home.....4 sevens outs in a row
    is not rare and have ten guys in a row with short rolls which
    cost you money is not at all rare.

    Couple of years ago I read about the 3/11 bet... there are only 2 ways to do each and they happen about 1 in 12 rolls.. So I waited 20 without an 11 and bet $1, then 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.11.12.13.14.15.16.17.18.19.20.21.22. 23.24.25.26
    27.28.29.30.31.32.33.34.35.36.37.38. and at that point I had no money left In my rack the roll was 11.

    58 rolls between 11's

    I am not saying don't do it.. I AM SAYING anything can and does
    happen.... make sure that if you lose the first $6200, you have another and another and another to keep you in the game. You could lose
    $24,000 on bet in short order

    tdb
     
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  9. random_roller, Aug 28, 2017

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    What happens if session 1 is a worse case scenario and there are 4 consecutive "PSOs"? Do you have an additional $6K available to try it again and are you willing to do so? If you are, what happens if there is a repeat for session 2? Now you're down $12K+. Are you up for round 3 and do you still have the bankroll available? It's really tough when you dig yourself a big hole early on.

    It sounds like you would leave the bets up rather than take all of them down following the first hit. Is this correct? If so, your bankroll will probably die from a thousand cuts unless you happen to be at the table at the right time and have big money out there from the get go (which happens on occasion).

    In the end, it's your money and your decision how to utilize it. Good luck at the tables.
     
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  10. Onautopilot, Aug 28, 2017

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    All systems work...until they don't!

    I would be very careful with this one, a few bad runs and you can get behind more than you may be capable of making up.

    Consider the risk / reward......and the math does not support the conclusions you have come to.

    But having said this, it's your "quarter", bet it anyway you like! :)
     
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  11. tabletop123, Aug 28, 2017

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    Leave an Across bet "working" until the Seven out comes?......SUICIDE!

    P-L-E-A-S-E say that you are only looking for one hit per shooter, & taking it all down! ESPECIALLY at level 4!
     
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  12. Gary mead, Aug 28, 2017

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    You go back to L1 which is $32 across. L2-L4 are a progression so that just one hit of any numbers 4-10 are a win and recoups any loss from the prior levels.

    You guys are missing some of what I'm saying. I'm not saying short rolls without hitting the point. Im saying point then immediately rolling a 7, 4 times in a row with not 1 number being rolled.

    It's mathematics that I'm dealing with and yes there are runs that in short periods will sku things. But this method makes a real go at making consistent money as long as you do have 20-40k available.
     
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  13. random_roller, Aug 28, 2017

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    In my comment, I asked what happened if session 1 resulted in 4 consecutive "PSOs", resulting in a $6K overall loss. You didn't answer my question. Do you try it again, assuming you have an additional $6K in gambling funds? In other words, the required bankroll isn't $6K; it's much more than that.

    You had also failed to indicate your bets go back to L1 following any hit on L2-L4; hence my question about what happens on a hit.

    BTW, if you have $20K to $40K in gambling funds available, you might consider playing baccarat.
     
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    It's not my turn to babysit. :D
     
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  15. Edward-ky, Aug 28, 2017

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    Not as rare as you think. If you want to try this I suggest watch the table for a while and see how it fares with real players at a casino and not just a sim.
     
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    If you have that much in gambling bankroll why even get on here and ask that question.
     
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  17. wonko33, Aug 28, 2017

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    it's about 1 in 1300 for 4 guys in a row to PSO on the first roll - so you have 1/1300 chance of loosing 6200$ -
     
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    do you stay until there is a decision or just one roll? If the first roll is a crap number do you pull down your bets?
     
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  19. rongarm10, Aug 28, 2017

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    The casino would probably want me to get a private table with that kind of money running around the table. Or at the very least a suite for the nite. Just sayin.
     
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  20. twodicebilly, Aug 28, 2017

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    GARY

    No one is telling you how t bet.... but you have over 100 years of experience here telling you to be careful.

    I have seen one of my buddies lose $27,000 in one night
    playing the iron cross all the time saying this offers many more
    chances to win on each ROLL . and one 1 seven to avoid.

    twodiceilly
     
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