$$$WINNER????

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  1. Pressit, Dec 2, 2017

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    How many people come back from a 3 to 5 day stay in LV, a winner, once all expenses are paid for, such as air fare, hotel, drinks, food, parking, transportation, sightseeing, shows?
     
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  2. The Comeback Kid, Dec 2, 2017

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    Define winning?
     
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  3. Mssthis1, Dec 2, 2017

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    As the owner operator of a business I believe time also has value. In addition to the above expenses I personally include time away from the business as a gambling expense. I have to increase the number of hours the help works and there's many things he can't do business wise that decreases revenue when I'm away.

    Using my parameters I'm behind. Using a straight coin in/coin out I'm ahead.
     
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  4. TDVegas, Dec 2, 2017

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    A few? More? Many? Ya don't know until you get back on the plane to go home. Extremely difficult to know the answer. My guess is it's tiny and not a consistent thing for those winners.

    When you factor in all the costs of getting there and everything associated...if you haven't figured out you "gamble for fun"----you've deluded yourself. Of course people want more cash in the pocket than what they came with...but that omits a big expense part of the trip.

    "I gamble only to win"....is a state of mind. It's a fine thought, but it likely dismisses reality.
     
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    I only gamble to win, but in spite of this I still lose a lot, even at the craps table.

    Mssthis1 has hit the nail on the head - as another small business owner, I am out 7-10 days income when I go away, while the staff is being paid to answer the phone, deal with insurance issues, order supplies, etc.

    I'd have to win a hell of a lot of money to cover for the loss of 10 days work, and never really have. Hell, I'm happy going home with $500 more than I took in to gamble with. ;)
     
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  6. random_roller, Dec 2, 2017

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    When I take a vacation (Las Vegas or another destination), I don't put together a P&L that includes non-gaming expenses (e.g., airfare, hotel, food/beverage, car rental, etc.). Those types of vacation expenses will be incurred regardless of whether or not gambling is involved. For example, if I traveled to Hawaii (where there are no casinos), I wouldn't look at the $5K hotel/airfare/food & beverage expenses as a "loss" from a P&L perspective; far from that, actually. That being said, those types of expenses are still part of the overall vacation budget, just not a P&L.
     
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    Well, with some recent pics of chips, posted on this forum, we can rest assured that Harley and AssHat are long term winners!
     
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  8. James Hall, Dec 2, 2017

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    LOL
     
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    Agree. I only care about what I get from the table. Travel, restaurants, drinks, room, etc. are expenses for good times away from the tables. If I lose at the tables, the good times make up for it.
    Good memories are all you have on your death bed. (Sorry to be a bit morbid.)
     
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  10. Pressit, Dec 2, 2017

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    Trip to LV cost $3K, winning would be taking home anything over $3K.
     
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  11. lone irish digit, Dec 2, 2017

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    Going to casinos is a grind...the only one with a "happy ending" is Barney. Rooms and food are comped, therefore for me winning is covering all expenses including gas and Barney driving expense as well as having more greenbacks in my wallets than what I left with. This is for all gambling vices including craps, video poker, and slots.
     
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    If you work it right and take time to enjoy them , you have memories from day to day
    Why wait till you are dying to enjoy them
    My whole life has been a memory factory ,
    There are are a couple of published authors who have asked to write the story of my life , you could enjoy that and not suffer all the bumps and bruises I have
     
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    People actually go to those shows?:confused:
     
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    For me LV is not a normal vacation, I go for 1 and only 1 reason and that is to play craps. Of my 3 gambling vacations(?) this years, only 1 was a total winner, and this last one to LV was a total bust out. If I recall you just came back from LV, but your main reason wasn't gambling, it had to do with a 5K run. True you gambled while you were there, but that wasn't the main objective of the trip. Vactions are rmeant to be relexing, LV is far from relaxing.

    So when someone tells you they went to LV and came back a winner, my questios would be, what was the nature of the trip, and did your winnings cover the cost of the trip? If you did not come back a winner, you only defrayed the cost of the trip. How many defrayed LV trips can you afford?
     
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    If the main goal was simply winning at gambling...focusing on gambling. The intent is win. The focus is win. A single minded passion that winning is above all else....
    Above the dinners...
    Above the shows...
    Above the scenery...
    Above FUN...

    Then the last thing I would do is drop money and time simply getting to Vegas and instead I would focus on the closest casino to my home where the "external" costs are minimized.

    With burgeoning casinos in just about every state....coming to Vegas with a single minded purpose to win seems odd. Why start off in the hole with a $400+ airfare and all the other crap just getting there?

    I would assume the majority who come here..while CERTAINLY wanting, hoping and trying to win---also have other, important factors to consider.

    Maybe the whale...who doesn't drop one single penny on anything else being the exception of coming to Vegas instead of playing closer to home.

    My 2 cents.
     
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    Sorry, Fred, I know way too many guys that come to Vegas with their wives or girlfriends and they never get out of the casinos!

    One of the things that I do when guys come in from out-of-town is to get them out of the casinos a show them the other side of Vegas that they would never see because all they want to do is gamble and by staying at the tables they can never do that!
     
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    worth both of the two
    to a gambler winning IS above all else , to anyone else
    it is simply a game , recreation , and most would be better served to stay home
    and enjoy some less expensive pursuit and leave the gambling to the gamblers
     
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  18. James Hall, Dec 2, 2017

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    NOW that was CHEST THUMPING
     
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    Probably be a great book, a good fiction read!
     
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  20. James Hall, Dec 2, 2017

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    I told one of the people , we could write it , but few would believe it
    He said , "why"
    I said most people live very boring , mundane lives , what you know of my life
    is way beyond the experience most people ever encounter , they live their lives
    laboring just to exist , enjoyment for some people is fiction or something enjoyed
    by very few people
     
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