Will, a casino cheat you in some way and get away with it?

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  1. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

    James Hall

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    If this is one issue that has been noted with me then note this also , another word that might be used and probably more appropriately than luck would be , "ACCIDENT"
    So note this also If somebody is waiting for , "LUCK / HAPPENSTANCE or an ACCIDENT"
    to occur for them to win there is a better and more reliable factor to be brought to bear
    try , "SKILL" I know you hold little orcredence to



    TDV you know as well as I do that you and others have said they win when they win because of luck , there are some on this board , perhaps you included , who look at "LUCK" as an element
    to be considered as part of the process of winning.
    You , yourself have said on this forum , it takes luck and variance to win
    If it takes those two things to win , that would indicate that in your mind and in the minds of others , those two properties have some kind of , "POWER" to effect the outcome of the game
    What is disingenuous is when you and others , in your effort , to discredit the theory of DI use
    terms like , "LUCK" as an alternative for , "SKILL"
     
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  2. von duck, Jan 11, 2018

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    More than once? I'll bet. Like damned near every time huh? :) :D
     
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  3. TDVegas, Jan 11, 2018

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    More gibberish.....

    That's just false. Those that believe luck is the reason for winning are NOT being disingenuous. That....is...what....they....believe. They simply don't believe in DI and they believe luck or happenstance or variance is the factor for winning. They are being honest in their thoughts and beliefs. You don't agree with their thoughts and beliefs which is your prerogative....but they are sincere.

    You stating there is no such thing as luck....but happenstance exists?...you are being disingenuous. The words mean the same thing. TV or television.
     
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    Bazaar?
     
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  5. random_roller, Jan 11, 2018

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    Anyone who buys in at a table / electronic game in a casino and makes a bet is playing for "real money". All of us have different risk/reward tolerances, financial resources & obligations, win/loss objectives, knowledge of the game, frequency of play, type of game(s) played, marginal utility of $1 additional dollar won/lost, etc. For example, if you saw me play slots / VP at $1 a spin/draw, you might think I'm not much of a bettor. And for those games, that's probably true because I generally don't play them. However, if you watched me play Baccarat, well, let's just say you would draw a very different conclusion.

    In the end, whether there is $1, $42, or $5,000 that is bet, it's still money at risk. And how someone bets at the craps table -- traditional or electronic -- really shouldn't matter to others, assuming the bettor is not on public assistance.
     
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  6. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    The problem is and has been the fact that , "LUCK" as used by you and others on this board varies from happenstance in one very glaring way

    Happenstance is generally an uncontrolled , accidental outcome while the FACTOR known to you and some on this board as luck is believed to be "An influence or power which contributes to a result or outcome"

    There are those who even carry a talisman / lucky piece to enhance their "LUCK"
    When you speak of those who believe in these things sounds more like gibberish
    than anything I ever read on this board

    If you and they are not being disingenuous promoting the power of luck how would you describe such belief in "VOODOO & MAGIC in this day and age?
    You speak of LUCK as someone who truly believes in the POWER
     
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  7. Bases loaded, Jan 11, 2018

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    More condescending bullshit.

    Does this attitude attract students to your Dice Institute?
     
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  8. TDVegas, Jan 11, 2018

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    Well said, RR....

    Let me add...from my point of view as there seems to be some issue with my play re my knowledge of the game.
    #1---IMO, No one is getting rich playing craps.

    That does not mean my methods are not intended to win or as some say "play just for fun"...as if that means I want to lose or don't care. Everything I do....whether money is involved or not---the intention is to win. $1 or $100,000 does not matter.

    With my $100,000....I take $99,940 and put it into my trading account. I take the other $60 and play bubble craps. It's just how I fly. To each his own in how we play. If anyone is suggesting that the more you wager...the more you know about craps the game and the more you know how to win? Laughable. I take no issue with anyone who gambles more $$ and I've played with guys that gamble a lot more money than me. They are all fine gentlemen. One just passed away. They are bigger gamblers than me. They know that. I know that. We are all fine with that. I don't think they consider my knowledge of craps any less than their own.

    I may play more sessions than they do...but they certainly gamble with larger wagers.

    There are only a few here who seem to take issue that because I wager less, I know less about the game? Preposterous and ridiculous. If that were true, every whale in Vegas would be the most knowledgable on craps...and everyone betting less, knows less.

    If one believes in DI....also no issue. If I had the skill I would wager more, a lot more.



     
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  9. TDVegas, Jan 11, 2018

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    You are making shit up. WHO stated or believes luck is an "influence or power which contributes to a RESULT or outcome".....?

    luck is random chance.
     
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  10. von duck, Jan 11, 2018

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    Oops! Sorry Ma'am, MR Hall did another typo, he was trying to say "Be a czar" Ma'am. :)
     
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  11. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    some are initially put off to some degree but I explain to them that I will not say things to garner their participation , I will give them the facts as I know them

    My opening dialogue goes as follows

    "I may say things , here today , that you may not understand or or may not believe ,
    if either of these things happen please stop me and let's talk about it
    If you are to get anything from this presentation it is important that you both
    believe and understand everything" .
    I have gotten some very skeptical people involved , some after several Q&A sessions

    People who know me , know not to ask me a question , if they don't want an answer
    they know I will tell them what they need to know , not what they want to hear
    My vent in life is not to be POPULAR at the expense of other people by telling them , "$#^*T"
    they want to hear

    Some on this board seem to have a , "MUTUAL ADMIRATION SOCIETY"
    That stuff is for the birds , I deal in realty / facts not , "FEEL GOOD" BS
    I am not going to agree with silly betting strategy opinions to be popular

    It amazes me , some of the posts I read on this forum
    I know that there are people on this board who have played craps the same way for years
    bleeding money with no intention of ever changing how they play . I find that ludicrous
    and I will mention it
    I did learn a new word from you here today

    "CONDESCENDING" seeing someone making a mistake and mentioning it to them

    I was on a table in Vegas one day with a couple of the , "MESA GUYS" , one of them was throwing the dice . He had two real short rolls back to back and was quite agitated
    another guy on the table colored up and was leaving and as he passed G. he said
    "You are throwing too deep"
    G flared up and told him where he could stuff that , the next time he got the dice
    Bob told him , "The guy was right , you ARE throwing way too deep"
    G made the adjustment and had a good roll
    That guy that left the table was
    "CONDESCENDING" but absolutely correct
     
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  12. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    I'll bet you do a wonderful job at craps , totally satisfied with your game
    increase your bankroll on every trip to the casino and if not , you have fun
    and that's the main thing in the final analysis that is all that matters

    How about that , BETTER do you find that useful ?
     
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  13. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    Well you are finally coming around , good or bad , "LUCK" is more correctly
    associated with ACCIDENT / random chance
     
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  14. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    I thought it was BRACZEAR
     
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  15. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    A little different than your usual thought , how many times have you said
    "If you are as good at DI as you claim why are you not playing more often and
    betting table maximums"?

    You seem to think you can determine a persons skill by how frequently
    he goes to play
    You and I have had that conversation many times
     
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  16. von duck, Jan 11, 2018

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    No SIR, "BRA-CZEAR" was a Roman guy that liked to cross-dress. :)
     
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  17. superrick, Jan 11, 2018

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    James, some guys will never take advice from anybody they know it all and it's below them to ask for help!

    I've always got a kick out of those that needed their car fixed and they ask you where you would take your car and when you tell them they think the guy is too high. So they go elsewhere and the next time you see them they are bitching about the same car that keeps doing the same thing and the mechanic is now telling them that they need a different part to fix the car!

    Then you find out that they didn't take it to where you said to go, and tell are giving you an ear full of how pissed they are about having to get it fixed once again. You tell them it's not your problem and walk away from them!

    Oh, damn I'm not going there that guy is condescending, way to funny if you ask me!
    So, here is my question to all of you guys on this board if someone knows more than you is that CONDESCENDING?

    I got my nickname for fixing elevators. I would walk in on a job where the guy was there all day trying to fix an elevator and ask the guy what he did so far to find the problem. They would get pissed when I made them go back to the first thing they did because I knew that they didn't check something so simple that it would take me five min's to get the elevator back running. When I made them go back to the start.

    I was called arrogant quite a few times when I made them start from the beginning when they said they already checked that.

    After a few min's the elevator was back running because I knew that they didn't check what I was looking at as the problem. I taught them how to fix it with me standing over them watching what they were doing. The first thing I made them do was to pull out the prints to the job and then I taught them how to use their meter the right way!
    When the elevator was back running they always said your super Rick thanks for showing me how to do it!

    One of the helpers I had was in a casino after work with me and a few of my craps playing buddies and said that's it super Rick after making a few points on the craps table and that nickname was born for the guys that played craps with me!

    I do one thing differently than most on this board do and that is I seek the help of anybody that knows more than I do!
     
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  18. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    I find it rather , "BIZARRE" , that I can never fly one past you
    That is a word I never use , I usually say humerus or humorous
     
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  19. random_roller, Jan 11, 2018

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    What's that joke -- how do you end up with $1,000,000 in the stock market? Start with $2,000,000. It appears you do your real gambling in securities. :D Primarily Index funds, I hope. Unless you had NVDA and BA last year.

    From what I can tell from your posts, you're comfortable with your knowledge of craps and how you play the game. Who am I to argue?
     
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  20. James Hall, Jan 11, 2018

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    I remember the story about a descendant of his a couple years ago
    who went in for a sex change operation

    After the operation some of his friends who were considering the same procedure
    were asking him some question

    One asked , "Was there much pain" "
    He said "there was some pain"

    One of the others asked , "was it when they did the breast implant"?
    He said "No not really"

    Another asked , "was it when they whacked off your willie"?
    He said , "NO that really wasn't too bad"

    "Well when was it that caused the pain"?
    He said , "the pain came , and it was awful
    when they stuck that big tube in my ear to suck out half my brains"

    DeMango won't see this one
     
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