WikiCraps: Beginners Develop New Craps System

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  1. DeMango, Oct 31, 2016

    DeMango

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    Tom P says: "
    you have no "mathematical proof" nor even a scientifically rigorous level of confidence...NEVER has such been demonstrated nor even scientifically ATTEMPTED. "

    I have mathematical proof. Really. Cmon down to Biloxi. You and 7up. I should be able to roll more sevens than average. All I ask is that you don't waste my time by shooting the dice. What sayest thou?
     
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  2. betwthelines, Oct 31, 2016

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    the bohunk challenge is out there but part of it is for an SRR of 7 or iow fewer sevens than average...however part of the challenge has always been: make a proposition and we can structure some numbers around it..

    claiming to roll more 7s than average is almost a new one on me...rather dark i'n'nit?...never thought about it actually...but, hey, whatever...

    part of the bc shtick is countering the assertions of skill that one can roll such-and-such CONSISTENTLY...anyone can, for example roll seven 7s in 10 rolls...hell, i think i did that myself yesterday...but how many more sevens than average can you roll over, say, 500 rolls?

    lay it on me...i am game...we should very, very well be able to come to agreeable terms...

    further my winter automobile leavings from the frozen tundra are intentionally as serendipitous as possible and i can easily arrange to be in biloxi, sometime between early jan and april 1...

    tom p
     
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  3. SevenOut, Oct 31, 2016

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    Mango invites betwthelines and myself to Biloxi... thank you for the invitation. I am sure it is nice there.

    I can drive to the Las Vegas Strip in twenty minutes and watch hundreds of thousands of Craps Players a month.

    Shooting sevens? How do you structure your System to actually pay? That is the hard part. I probably could do no better or worse shooting sevens without even trying.

    Somehow those who challenge others to come somewhere to watch a Show... must mean it actually is true... if you do not come.

    If you do come... the Show... well was absent.

    Describe YOUR SYSTEM of Wagering. So far you are 0 for 0, proving anything.
     
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  4. betwthelines, Oct 31, 2016

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    how so?

    seems fairly straightforward. lay bets with vig on a win only and taking maximum advantage of the vig "break points"...or dp and dc bets laying the maximum affordable odds would seem to be a few of the possibilities were one capable of consistently rolling more sevens than average, which is the claim.

    as for the bohunk challenge, see post #71 on the thread of that name for the current payout structure...contained therein is a clause for anyone wishing to propose their own claim for any numbers not listed and a deal can be made if mutually agreeable numbers can be reached. (demang said he could shoot more 7s than average, which i am not sure why exactly,but took me a bit by surprise [numbers for an srr of 7 or better are extant but of course that is for fewer 7s than average]...but no biggie...terms can be structured i am sure)
    by this i assume your rolls are random (my own claim is that is the case for all rolls) in which case you could do the bohunk challenge and it would pay even money, for example, if you claimed fewer than average 7s and rolled 83 or fewer sevens or 84 or more if you claimed more than average in, for example, 500 rolls...any other claims, for example, that you could do an srr of 7, ie 71 or fewer 7s ...well...that would pay 7 to 1...again a number can probably be arrived at for any proposition you want to make...

    the OP of that thread and subsequent commentary provides some of the rationale behind the challenge
    Nope. None Of The Above...except for the 0 for 0 part, the exception that proves the rule...

    There is no do show...there is no don't show...there is no belief...there is no proof...there is no meaning...there is no talk...there is no luck...there is no skill...there is no practice...there is no bouncy table...there is no past performance...there is no 3v set...there is no ballerina toss...there is no DI...there is no mother's maiden name...there is no excuse...THERE IS ONLY DO.

    there is but one requirement in the challenge: that it be done under live, casino conditions---ANY public casino(s). OTHERWISE shooter(s) are in COMPLETE CONTROL of the conditions: as long as stated before the roll, shooter(s) determine which rolls "count" towards the 500 rolls (one would assume-hope even-that all rolls would count unless called off but if the shooter insists on determining that before each and every roll, that works too, again as long as it is clearly understood beforehand which rolls count}, their "feelings" and comfort levels would be given EVERY consideration, how many sessions it takes, which table(s) it is played on, which casino(s), how many hours, days, weeks are needed: everything...

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    the enzyme for the bohunk challenge is simple frustration in that in about 100 years of the debate we have only talk, only anecdotes, only records of past rolls, only very rarely and never on this forum do claimants of skill put their money where their mouths are...of course in saying this they do put down money-gamble-at bank craps but so do all craps players...that money down fact distinguishes ZERO...like the rest of us they are gamblers likely making nothing but random rolls..

    all talk, talk, talk...no walk, walk, walk.

    not that there are not good reasons for this no-money-where-their-mouths-are...manifestly they lack real confidence in their skills but also many are looking for chops, for affirmation of their skills, for praise etc and they correctly discern that the challenge will not provide this, will be dismissed as simply "luck" if they win, will mean nothing, will prove nothing...they are correct.

    two anda half peoples have accepted the challenge---all random rollers, who see it as a good AND FUN bet, and make no mistake it is very beatable with payouts that rival and exceed many of the bets on the casino layout, which are based, mind you, on random outcomes...yes. if things are indeed random, i make no bones about an advantage but it is not I making any claims of skill. (my even money prop above IS however 100% fair).

    demang, as you have seen, has "given some indications" that he "might" be the first DI exception (and the "1/2" acceptor mentioned has sometimes been...um...shall we say "ambiguous" as to whether he is a DI but in the past few months at least has been fairly consistent in that he is not...but also the fact that nothing has been firmed up also plays into the "one half" denotation) but thus far all DIers have been

    -------The Little Engine That Couldn't------
    choo, choo, choo, you cannot do
    you cannot do
    you cannot do
    you cannot do
    you cannot do
    you cannot do
    choo, choo, choo, you cannot do
    tom p

    <<<<<<< BACKTRACKING DISCLAIMER >>>>>>>
    in the past i have averred that i would donate any of my bc winnings to jacob's beer fund (it has never been about the money for me which with few exceptions is never more than $100 in winnings anyway, but rather the POINT of the matter)...wingcraps (tjpspeak for "wincraps") stimulations (tjpspeak for "simulations") of the bc have revealed that i would be at some fairly significant personal financial risk on any bets much over $10.

    given that high risk i quite frankly have decided that i deserve at least a small "taste" of any winnings and so will limit my contribution to jacob's fund to 20% of my winnings or $10, whichever is greater.

    FULL DISCLOSURE: another forum member is potentially involved with some of the funding and who has also agreed to donate any proceeds to jacob's fund...this disclaimer in no way speaks for him.
     
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  5. SevenOut, Nov 1, 2016

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    My Bankroll is $200. Everyone is aware of my aggressive betting System described in Advanced Craps. When I am winning, the return on wagers is very good.

    When I am losing... it takes no time for 20 outcomes, more or less on a choppy table, to lose $200.

    Watching a hot roll last evening... consisted of maybe 45 rolls, tops. But a game I was watching the action and not participating. All numbers hitting and a good number of hardways.

    For my System for 500 rolls... maybe $3,000 would be needed if the losses exceeded my wins per shooter session. I do not play Craps as a positive way to earn any cash flow. It is for those short spurts of self gratification that I quit while ahead, to come back another time. The 'free buffet' is not on my $3,000 options. I can pay the $14.95 or two for one buffet out of pocket and need no 'points'.

    Those who play with $300 or less for a loss limit per month or two weeks... understand. My brother. He played until he had no cash left to lose. Easy money is not to be found at a Casino. Some learn the hard way. And it is not a 2-2, 3-3, 4-4 or 5-5!
     
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