Why liberals hate America.

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  1. Pressit, Apr 11, 2016

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    Figures Don’t Lie, Unless They Are Intentionaly Minipulated.

    Shift the blame, let's count crime committed by Hispanics, and add place them under crimes committed by Whites. Bingo, Whites commit more crimes, except murder even this tactic can't help the title holder, Afro-Americans.

    http://newobserveronline.com/90-nonwhite-violent-crime-rate-fbi/
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Apr 12, 2016

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    I guess we can agree on something.

    I enjoy very much a shot of bourbon in the evening, and going to my friendly cigar shop, meeting with my buddies and solving the world problems.

    For you:

    "You must choose between me and your cigar."
    -- BREACH OF PROMISE CASE, CIRCA 1885.


    Open the old cigar-box, get me a Cuba stout,
    For things are running crossways, and Maggie and I are out.

    We quarrelled about Havanas -- we fought o'er a good cheroot,
    And I knew she is exacting, and she says I am a brute.

    Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider a space;
    In the soft blue veil of the vapour musing on Maggie's face.

    Maggie is pretty to look at -- Maggie's a loving lass,
    But the prettiest cheeks must wrinkle, the truest of loves must pass.

    There's peace in a Larranaga, there's calm in a Henry Clay;
    But the best cigar in an hour is finished and thrown away --

    Thrown away for another as perfect and ripe and brown --
    But I could not throw away Maggie for fear o' the talk o' the town!

    Maggie, my wife at fifty -- grey and dour and old --
    With never another Maggie to purchase for love or gold!

    And the light of Days that have Been the dark of the Days that Are,
    And Love's torch stinking and stale, like the butt of a dead cigar --

    The butt of a dead cigar you are bound to keep in your pocket --
    With never a new one to light tho' it's charred and black to the socket!

    Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider a while.
    Here is a mild Manila -- there is a wifely smile.

    Which is the better portion -- bondage bought with a ring,
    Or a harem of dusky beauties, fifty tied in a string?

    Counsellors cunning and silent -- comforters true and tried,
    And never a one of the fifty to sneer at a rival bride?

    Thought in the early morning, solace in time of woes,
    Peace in the hush of the twilight, balm ere my eyelids close,

    This will the fifty give me, asking nought in return,
    With only a Suttee's passion -- to do their duty and burn.

    This will the fifty give me. When they are spent and dead,
    Five times other fifties shall be my servants instead.

    The furrows of far-off Java, the isles of the Spanish Main,
    When they hear my harem is empty will send me my brides again.

    I will take no heed to their raiment, nor food for their mouths withal,
    So long as the gulls are nesting, so long as the showers fall.

    I will scent 'em with best vanilla, with tea will I temper their hides,
    And the Moor and the Mormon shall envy who read of the tale of my brides.

    For Maggie has written a letter to give me my choice between
    The wee little whimpering Love and the great god Nick o' Teen.

    And I have been servant of Love for barely a twelvemonth clear,
    But I have been Priest of Cabanas a matter of seven year;

    And the gloom of my bachelor days is flecked with the cheery light
    Of stums that I burned to Friendship and Pleasure and Work and Fight.

    And I turn my eyes to the future that Maggie and I must prove,
    But the only light on the marshes is the Will-o'-the-Wisp of Love.

    Will it see me safe through my journey or leave me bogged in the mire?
    Since a puff of tobacco can cloud it, shall I follow the fitful fire?

    Open the old cigar-box -- let me consider anew --
    Old friends, and who is Maggie that I should abandon you?

    A million surplus Maggies are willing to bear the yoke;
    And a woman is only a woman, but a good Cigar is a Smoke.

    Light me another Cuba -- I hold to my first-sworn vows.
    If Maggie will have no rival, I'll have no Maggie for Spouse!

    Rudyard Kipling


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  3. Titleistguy, Apr 12, 2016

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    Good morning, just reading the updates here.

    I'll take a look at your article, in all fairness, I believe religion to be smoke and mirrors.

    I take that back, I believe religion to be the ULTIMATE business model.

    You sell and invisible product, you have no over head, are tax exempt, and an endless supply of customers that can get 'hooked' on it. That's what real religion is.

    But I digress, I'll look at your link later BS777.
     
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  4. basicstrategy777, Apr 12, 2016

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    The article is long but I think well done, and attempts to answer a difficult question.

    As far as being a non-believer, they say religion is for the young and the old, and there are no atheists in fox holes.

    BTW are you an agnostic or an atheist ?

    Maybe, something will happen down your road of life to turn you around....who knows.

    Different subject: As I am in the NE, in years past I so much looked forward to being able to play golf.....you must really have the juices flowing at this time of year.


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  5. basicstrategy777, Apr 12, 2016

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    Spin should not alter your thinking.

    There is right and wrong....and some things are more important than other things, in the grand scheme of things.

    When values are clear, decisions are easy.

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  6. Titleistguy, Apr 12, 2016

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    If you held my feet to the fire, I'd say on a sliding scale of 1 to 7 ... 1 being SURE there was a god, and 7 being sure there wasn't .. I'd say I'm a hard six (pun intended) ...

    I take that stance b/c I can't claim to be motivated by science and reasoning and yet claim with certainty something I don't know...because I don't know a god doesn't exist anymore than I would say I do that one does exist.

    Its a nuanced position, but Atheist, isn't the same as saying I'm positively asserting there is NO god. I'm just taking the stance that the evidence, and proof thus provided to me in my life hasn't been sufficient to convince me. A person that firmly believes there isn't a god would prefer to be called a Nontheist. Problem, the distinction of atheist, nontheist, agnostic, and deist, have become somewhat muddled by the over arching Christian narrative.

    Think of it this way, a jury says Guilty or NOT Guilty....but being NOT Guilty isn't the same as being innocent. Think about it.

    Being not guilty just means the prosecution didn't meet its burden of proof ... that's how I feel about religion. I feel that Christians haven't met a sufficient level of proof to convince me, and this begs the question ... if god created me, knows me, and my heart, and my wills dreams and desires, and everything about me that I'll ever think or do --- then it stands to reason he knows what it would take to convince me of his existence, right? So why doesn't he present himself in such a way to make it apparent to me that he's there? Why would god create skeptical people, if for no other reason than to punish them eternally for being the way he made them? You can see the problems here I assume.

    So if you say I believe God exists (similar to a guilty verdict) I'd say, well, I vote not guilty ... not guilty only applies to your claim on a god existing, it makes not statement on the lack of existence of a god.

    Now if something happened in my life that convinced me God exists, I'd be perfectly happy to live in a way that is congruent with that experience.

    So to answer your question, I'd by definition be agnostic, but for all intents and purpose am atheist.
     
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  7. Titleistguy, Apr 12, 2016

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    As far as golf goes ...

    You have no idea how excited I am to play soon. We're getting a weird winter hangover in Michigan right now. Typically golf season starts here around mid to late march ... and its already mid april and too cold / wet in most places.

    I've got 2 rounds of 18 in and some range time. But not getting the early rounds in now means my short game will be lagging come may and june when I need to make pars and birdies ... b/c not doing so will cost. (shocker that I gamble when I golf eh?)
     
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  8. basicstrategy777, Apr 12, 2016

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    T....I have to accept what you say.

    I'm sure if Jesus Christ came down from heaven and walked among us and performed miracles......there would still be non-believers and those that would try to kill him.

    You want proof, but this requires faith.

    It's a tough one.......but next time you need to make a 4 footer, downhill with a bend to the right ( I assume you are right handed) , thru the shadows, with gusts of wind, on the 18th hole, for the club championship.......a look to the heavens and saying ..please Lord ( fill in the words)........might help. Kinda like my voo-doo, only better.

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  9. Titleistguy, Apr 12, 2016

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    I'll keep that in mind.

    I don't make those very often. So when I do, I'm sure someone was helping. :)
     
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    I understand what you are saying....but I contend there are King values that are above all values and are immutable, that all must adhere to. They are not to be set at what is best for the time and then be subject to change based upon society shifting its stance on what is important,or anything else. You need a house with a foundation built on rock, not a shifting sand. Or the house will collapse. Everyone needs to know where they stand and know they will be measured against a set standard. When this is the case, no one has a bitch.

    Kinda like the 10 commandments.

    Kinda like stealing delegates.

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    Nooow were cookin' with oil.

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  12. Onautopilot, Apr 12, 2016

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    But if we do not have a society that is willing to change with the times, we are subject to a "do nothing" failure to effectively serve the society as a whole.

    Society values do indeed change.....slavery was fine at one time, women were not allowed to vote at one time, Native Americans were restricted to reservations at one time, blacks were restricted from using white facilities at one time....and on and on.

    We either change with the times, or we fail the very principles that this country was founded on.

    Things change, compromise is a necessity in a society!
     
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    Of course you had help....The Golf Gods smiled upon you those times. Just as the craps Gods sometimes smiles upon us all.

    I acknowledge a "God" for most everything.....a collection of "talisman" that I often call upon.

    This one should get me in company with you...."listening to O' Holy Night forever". :)
     
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  14. basicstrategy777, Apr 12, 2016

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    I believe some 'laws' should not change.

    example: It is against the law to kill.

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    For sure....if societies laws do not meet the moral standards of "humanity", it is doomed to failure!
     
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  16. Pressit, Apr 12, 2016

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    You are a so-called numbers type of guy so this shouldn't pose to much of a problem.

    Afro-Americans, a shrinking group, @43,000,000, or approximatively 13% of the US population,

    Hispanics, a ever expanding group, @55,000,000, or approximately 17%

    Whites equal @ 231,000,000 or approximately 70%.

    There are others groups which making the missing small %.

    So the group with the smallest % is reasonable for over 52% of all homicides. Well that looks pretty "f"ing bad so what can the government do to make things look more fair, equal.

    The government, who can't figure out how to classify Hispanics unless they are trying to get their vote, have added Hispanic crimes onto White crime stats. Now Liberals will always try to come up with an excuse to explain away this wide and ever growing gap: Single parent households, HS dropouts, pregnancy, drug use, prisons, lack of jobs, poverty, a Liberal's list is almost endless.

    That is not spinning they are just the facts.
     
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  17. Pressit, Apr 12, 2016

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    Well here is a spin that is going to bite the Liberals in the ass. If you ever should get out of the house and long around, who makesup the major component when it comes to construction, roofing, wallboard, , framing, lawn work? Hispanics. They work longer hours for a cheaper hourly rate and they do a good job. I have never seen a Afro-American roofing, framing, drywall gangs, not even in all Black communities. Why would that be?

    Some other facts. Afro-Americans have fallen into 3rd place behind Hispanics.

    Now comes Obama who wants to bring in refugees from Syria, South America, and elsewhere. They will be competing for jobs in an economy where employment is hard to come by, and like most refugees they will work multiple jobs for lower wages to make for a better life.

    Never understood why the Afro-American Community continues to cling to the party which has alway held them back by coddling them with empty promises. Dangle the old dried up carrot, keep telling people they are entitled to a job when they are not. Liberals for all the good they think they have done, have only cause a segment of our society nothing but misery. Afro-American unemployment, 10%.
     
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    We are not a perfect society, and never will be. I agree with you, some things need fixing, a lot of things need fixing. But for the most part, it's damn good country compared to most.

    What is hampering our ability to fix things, is the reluctance to compromise, and work together. The GOP and the Dems, have climbed on different sides of the fence, and do not seem to want to open any gates.

    That is why I am an independent....so I can call BS on either side!
     
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    Yea? at what age? in the womb??? new spoon at work...
     
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