Why do we play?

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  1. KokomoJoe4, Jul 2, 2016

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    Can't say that I actually enjoy the experience, although I must enjoy it enough to do it so often. Sure there are times when you play with an interesting group and have a good time or least a good laugh. There are other times when you are surrounded by blithering idiots.

    I would not play as often as I do if it weren't for five or six "big" winners (a relative term I know) over the years which still has me able to play with "safe money" that I do not consider my own, having taken it out of the casino. I have always kept my craps stash as a separate fund, and although it is shrinking at an alarming rate, there is still a bit left. Shouldn't bitch since i haven't been needing to dig into the wallet to play.

    I make a point to protect my play money, and what I see as the best way to do this is to buy-in with a smaller amount, leave the casino before turning it all in, and always making the point of my play to take as much off the table as possible, without turning a winning session into a losing one. Obviously you can do this with any style of play, but one bet at a time has worked best for me.

    After a lot of play, I must say that the only thrill left for me are the rare times when a starting $5 or $10 pass or come bet with double odds, after a lot of successive winners, has turned into a table maximum amount riding on one number.
     
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  2. Linaway, Jul 2, 2016

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    Koko,

    Check your PM please.

    I sense your thoughts are running through your head and fell on this board. OOPS! Well maybe your just sharing. Either way one thought gave me cause to subject you to my BS if I may.

    In my part of the world, I have several casinos at my disposal. All I have patronized over the years seem to have bad dice. I didn't realize this until Superrick and Harley brought it to my attention. Now with a caliper and access to a plethora of dice, I can follow what they are saying to us.

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    I have always kept my craps stash as a separate fund, and although it is shrinking at an alarming rate, there is still a bit left.
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    I can't help but believe the massive leak in your safe money is caused by bad dice. Short rolls, trash numbers at outcome and lots of PSO.

    I would like to think in the PM I sent you we can help plug this leak. We won't know until we look at some possible solutions.

    Have a good one,

    Linaway
     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Jul 2, 2016

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    How you doing Linaway? Hope all is well, or as well as it can be.

    Thanks to you, I know a bit more about the dice than the average Joe. One thing we all know is that the seven is going to show, usually more than any other number. This comes as no surprise to anyone.

    I would not put anything past the casinos. Making money any way they can is the reason for their existence. In spite of this, I don't think there are specific dice brought into play in order to pad the bottom line. They don't have any control over how their patrons make wagers, and if/when sevens start showing like clockwork, a smart bettor would be hopping them, or perhaps laying a lot of the scarcely seen numbers.

    I would rather put the poor results, when I have them, and it has been frequent lately, on myself rather than on the dice. I tell myself I have to be smarter and be willing to use some other methods of play at my disposal, but what it comes down to, is that you just never know what the hell will happen next!

    I be in touch with you PM when I get a little more free time. Work around the house and a potential move are making me crazy lately.
     
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  4. Liman

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    we all play because we crave the adrenaline surge whether we are addicts or not.
    non addicts can control the urges, addicts cannot and usually end up flat broke.
     
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    This is why they rely on random dice.
    They are not in the business of risk or guessing
    They leave the risk and guessing up to the players and rely on the math for the bottom line.
     
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    we gamble for the process
     
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  7. James Hall, Jul 19, 2016

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    The house relies on the math
    gamblers trust to luck
    some play for the thrill
    and still others play for the challenge
    and yet another few , a very few play for the money
     
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  8. EddieT, Jul 19, 2016

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    How much do you put in your stash after winning $1250 on a $100 buy in?
     
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  9. KokomoJoe4, Jul 20, 2016

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    I put all hundreds from the playing funds into the safe at home and take out $300 on days I plan to play. The only thing that sticks in my wallet are the less than hundreds that come back after a visit to the cage. When play has been especially bad, nothing sticks anywhere, except the cage.
     
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    I stopped keeping my gambling funds separate.
    I felt I was already conceding that the money in the gambling envelope was to gamble, not really my money, simply because any money I expect to gamble, I have to be willing to sacrifice it.
    keeping it with my money, lets me enjoy it, and if I spend it on something else, maybe Id think twice about withdrawing more money from the ATM to play with.
    no matter how lucky Im running, gambling is gambling, is gambling, wow, how profound, meaning, if you play, you gotta expect to lose unless you are going to a casino with a gun and mask.
     
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  11. James Hall, Jul 26, 2016

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    expecting to lose
    a self fulfilling prophecy
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Jul 26, 2016

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    Just a reality.....expectation as relates to a negative "expectation" game.

    Liman, myself, and most others, go to the casino to try and win, period! Just because we accept the reality of casino gambling does not automatically make us losers.

    Games are still played when one "team" has the advantage....why, BECUASE ON ANY GIVEN DAY.....! :)
     
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    stop being a schmuck.
    I approach the game with realistic views and common sense.
    the same way I approach most things in life.
    If one plays a negative expectation game, one should suspect they will lose eventually, if not more often.


    whether you lose once every 6 months or 6 times a month, everyone has to expect to lose money now and then playing any casino game.

    if you claim you never lose, you are one of two things.
    Full of shit, or delusional.
     
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  14. TDVegas, Jul 26, 2016

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    As I stated, James..if you are THAT confident that you can play infrequently and win, that is something I would like to witness. You, of all the DI's here would be the one to watch as your confidence is brimming like no one else here.

    If you are that magical with the dice...wonderful, but seeing is believing. I don't need an explanation of how it's done (much like a magician never reveals how it is done)...all I want to see is the rabbit pulled out of the hat. Results.

    You set the parameters. More 6's than expectation? Fine. Less 7's than expectation? Fine. 3 sessions? 5? 7? How many times will you "get it done"???

    Your call.

    You say you win. What are we talking about here? 5 of 6 sessions? 9 of 10? 2 of 3?
     
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    When it comes to craps, that is absolutely not a true statement!

    In a random chance game, your "attitude" plays no part in the event outcome!

    Two players, side by side at the craps table, they both bet the same bets....one is an optimist, one is a pessimist!

    O.K., at what point do the dice make any distinction between the attitudes of the players?
     
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  16. Twelve4s, Jul 26, 2016

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    I would say both! No doubt, both.
     
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  17. TDVegas, Jul 26, 2016

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    I'll bring the pen and paper, James. Hell, if you want to just make it a "dice outcome show" and not be concerned about winning or losing....leave your money at home and just bring enough to make a $5 pass line bet. Then I will just record more 6's or less 7's in 36 roll sets when you roll.

    If you want the challenge of making money AND rolling more or less numbers than expected...that's also your call entirely. I leave it up to you. I'm giving you all the options here.

    I make this offer to no one else but you because your challenge is very simple. No convoluted multi number rolls..it's a relatively simple experiment on DI. It's short, but there isn't much I can do about that unless you want to stay in town and have many sessions.
     
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  18. James Hall, Jul 26, 2016

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    expecting to lose is not an attitude it is an expectation that
    for all intents and purposes set's you up for failure
    and coincidentally
    gives you an excuse , WELL I REALLY DIDN'T EXPECT TO WIN
    which is one other reason why so many craps players lose
    they are not in the game to win
    they play all too many times , not to lose or at least to lose less
    I see it all the time
    much like football , to win , you have to want to more than the opponent does

    GOOD QUESTION
    the dice can never make a distinction between the attitudes of the players
    but if the attitude / desire of the one player to win is strong enough he will learn to do things that will
    have an effect on how he plays and with that knowledge and practice he will get better and better
    for many who play craps it has evolved from a game of random chance to a game of skill

    players who play the game in such a manner that they rely on (luck)
    and variance that is generally provided by others generally do not win
    they are destined to a life of mediocrity at the very best
    they have no way to improve their game
    the day they learn the betting strategy or strategies
    they are as good as they will ever be
    If that was my lot in life I would find it very depressing
    there would be no reason to play the game
    At the end of 10,000 rolls the probabilities are going to catch up to you
    the math says what the outcome will be
    To win you must change the math
    LUCK will not and cannot do that for you
     
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  19. Edward-ky, Jul 26, 2016

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    OK you go in thinking u are going to lose but you win big what is that then?
     
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  20. Edward-ky, Jul 26, 2016

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    James well in life you know you are going to die at some point so do you stop living?
     
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