Why do DI's lose?

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  1. eagleeye2, Jun 19, 2018

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    Yes, with the aid of a few Grapes & a bit of time!

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    DeMango, as usual from you; You are missing the point here!

    It's not that DI's don't loose, but the ratio of ""Winning $$$ to Loosing $$$, that matters"".

    If that # is not over 1.00, one would be classified a ""RANDIE, NOT a DI, DUH!!!

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  3. tabletop123, Jun 19, 2018

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    Yep...me too! I went on a nice run from 2014-2015. Thought I had it all figured out. Then reality struck.

    This is why I have had a different view on influence these days. When you're tossing good....the world is your Oyster, & ya kinda think that the influence thingy is pretty much " On demand"! Well.....it's not!

    It is darn hard to CONSISTENTLY influence the dice....no matter HOW MUCH that you practice. That's just the way that it is, & unfortunately for those that think you're gonna practice, get proper instruction, & then become a CONSISTENT winner at the Crap tables.....GOOD LUCK with THAT, & continued success at the tables!
    For the newbie players, or those that are interested/on the brink......Betting Across is a Sure-fire way to get your Asshole torn out.
    You are ALWAYS 4.73 rolls behind when betting Across!!!

    I don't know of ANY school, Class, Teacher, or Guru that advocates betting Across.....Except James. Lol

    Remember.....Every number that hits that you don't have wagered is a missed opportunity....so load the fucking bases from the "GET GO", & ride the trend....even if it's PSO, PPSO, or PPPSO....right " Your Highness"? ( James)
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jun 19, 2018

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    You guys are delusional. Long term SRR's north of 6.3? Lol. Not Happening...except for James, & the Dominator!!!! Lol
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jun 19, 2018

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  6. TDVegas, Jun 19, 2018

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    Ironic....the guy using DUH!!! (all caps, mind you. With exclamation)....cannot distinguish losing from "loosing" or lose from "loose"----done twice, which negates the idea it's a typo.

    LOL...Can't make this stuff up.
     
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    When my $$$ get loose that is a problem. One of the quirks of bubble machine here is I often have tickets that are an odd amount like $1189.69. One night the redemption machine was PO'd because I was winning so much and it spit my money out onto the floor. Loose $$$ everywhere.

    Now I keep my hand in front of the slot where the money comes out:)
     
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  8. DeMango, Jun 19, 2018

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    Cut him some slack. If you were typing away in a car, you might make a few mistakes also!
     
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    Lol. Classic.
     
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    Why do DI's lose?
    Your opinions here!
    DeMango, as usual from you; You are missing the point here!

    It's not that DI's don't lose, but the ratio of ""Winning $$$ to Losing $$$, that matters"".

    If that # is not over 1.00, one would be classified a ""RANDIE, NOT a DI, DUH!!!

    eagleeye2


    TDV, There you go again, but then that's typical, attack the messenger; NOT the Message, DUH!!!

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  11. twodicebilly, Jun 19, 2018

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    I think there was some misunderstanding today, I was not referring to this post which I agree with.

    Except that when things dont go well, you dont quit, you try to figure
    out what in the hell went wrong.

    A lot can change in a year, you can change, the tables you play can be changed or the dice can change.

    All of us are going to feel like we want to quit, hopefully we run into
    another player that sees what we are doing and is willing to suggest
    something. Rick helped me a lot because I understood there are options, not just what is taught in a school.

    Top I am as exciting to get to the table today as ever, I just no longer think I am going to be the next Dominator, for better or worse I am just going to be me.

    Sorry I was about as clear as a mud fence this morning, I felt bad about that all day.

    tdb
     
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  12. James Hall, Jun 19, 2018

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    Reality wasn't the problem , If you were able to make it work
    for two years then your game failed you , it had to be a change in , MENTAL ATTITUDE" from positive to negative , You had to have
    changed something you were doing to make it go bad
    You have a different view on influence because you stopped doing
    what was working and the whole thing went south and you won't
    do the work to make it work again
    Wrong , if you were able to do it before there is no reason why
    you could not do it again If you did it once why would you not be
    able to do it now ?
    Because YOU WON'T , not because you can't ,
    because you won't , you quit


    It's hard to influence the dice Well who ever said it was easy
    if it was easy every dick in the world would be doing it

    You know what they say
    "WHEN THE GOING GETS TOUGH
    THE TOUGH GET GOING"

    Sometimes we have to just look back over
    our shoulder , wave and say goodbye to those who WON"T
    It ain't easy but it's doable for those who KNOW THEY CAN
     
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  13. tabletop123, Jun 19, 2018

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    Well....for starters Billy, you should never phone someone, & the FIRST sentence that comes out of your mouth is: " What is your problem when someone discusses Dice Sets, Landing zones, SRR's, etc."

    NOT a good way to start a conversation, Billy!
    Regarding Quitting....Never have! Never Will!! It's simply that MY opinion of Dice Influencing is NOT as strong/Gung-ho as SOME on this forum.
    Nothing is gonna sway my opinion in THAT regard, & THAT'S THAT!!!

    I will say this....If I had NOT had the PLEASURE of meeting ( G), I would have "backed off" ( not quit) Dice Influencing to a VERY large degree.

    I cannot, & will not deny Rick his Credit. He helped me to understand a TON of things regarding Influence, but meeting with ( G), & witnessing FIRST-HAND a excellent shooter in action....beats the heck out of all of the bullshit stories about so, & so tossed a 100 roll hand, never PSO's etc.

    I have NOT witnessed Heavy, Dominator, Howard, Frank, Little Joe Green, Stickman, Dice Coach, Rick, VDC, & ALL of the other " Purported" good shooters toss the the Dice.
    YOU & ( G) have, ....so you two guys have a better grasp of what can REALLY be accomplished by good shooters, or not.
    I had no such comparisons,.....so NATURALLY I THOUGHT I was one of the best tossers in the Country.
    Well....I'm not!!! Not even close, but......That's okay. There's always room for improvement.

    Ya simply gotta understand BILLY that....other people's opinions should NOT affect YOUR game, or train of thought UNLESS it's someone that you are confiding in to help you with your game.

    Everything else is simply trivial! You might want to discuss Sets, different tosses, SRR's, & such. Others might think it's a COMPLETE waste of time. Thats just the way that the cookie crumbles.
    Play YOUR game. Find like-minded people to share YOUR thoughts regarding Influence, & simply ignore those that aren't interested.

    EASY PEASY!! Regarding people making the forum bad...running off people...starting arguments, disagreements.....WELCOME TO THE CRAPS FORUM!
    A little advice ( take it or leave it)....Its ALWAYS more cordial, & gentlemen-like to greet a person with a "Hello", " How are you today, as opposed to a " What is your problem with XYZ"...... before beginning a conversation.

    Kinda reminds me of an Adult talking to a Child when you address someone in such fashion. Typically, ADULTS don't address other ADULTS in such a manner!

    Continued success at the tables!
    Hope ya win a bundle!
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jun 19, 2018

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    Well, James...I have said MANY times that when the Arthritis hit me in early 2016, & I could NO LONGER toss a WINNING toss that almost made me feel like the dice were an extension of my hand.....my opinion of MY abilities changed.
    The toss is NOT something that I can execute with my opposite hand & ....as far as starting over...back to the drawing board AFTER ALL OF THESE YEARS.....ain't gonna happen!!

    (G) was the FIRST one to suggest: " Well, Top....youre just gonna have to learn to toss left handed with that toss that you enjoyed so much.

    Easier said than done. Would YOU care to learn the fundamentals of riding a Bull Again after all of your years sucessfully riding?
    Wanna go back to the drawing board , & learn your golf swing all over again after all of these years?
    See what I mean?

    One thing that I know for a FACT.....even before the Arthritis,......even when I was tossing " Jam up", I STILL had losing sessions, but the difference was....REGARDLESS of the losses....my release was ALWAYS the same, & even when I lost...I KNEW that my MECHANICS never wavered. THAT is sooooooo very important....to KNOW.... that even though you lost....you was gonna " set fire" to the Casino's Ass the very next session/s!!!
    If you cannot release the dice the way that you want to at LEAST 95% of the time....you're headed for disaster.
    Unfortunately, I can no longer execute in such a manner, & THAT'S just the way that it is. No bitterness, or " Hater-aid" against other players.

    I wish everyone success, because consistently beating craps is almost a monumental feat.
    Read my 2014-2015 posts on this forum. My Underhand Toss was in GREAT form.....then...Age, & Arthritis struck!
    No excuses, but it is what it is!!
    I don't think that I will EVER toss with THAT MUCH confidence again.
    Life gets in the way...sometimes!!!

    My 2014-2015 posts will reveal that I had the SAME battles with TDVegas, as you guys are having now. However, I NEVER let it sway me, ( the battles) simply because I was winning, & when you're counting 100's.....the chatter don't matter!

    Now, TDVegas is very opinionated, but I know of several people that have met him, & NOT ONE person had anything negative to say about him. THAT stands for something.

    Don't let TD cloud your day. Just continue to......" Go Do"! Same advice that TD gives ya!
     
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  15. James Hall, Jun 19, 2018

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    I have always hated to see people not be able to do what
    they have spent a lot of time to develop when the desire is
    still alive , It is too bad that you couldn't get G to help you
    develop another way to throw
    Sometimes in life when something is over it's simply over
    As you say TDV is very opinionated , they say that everybody has the right to their own opinions and I agree with that
    However I do have a real problem with people who try to convince me and others that what
    I do can't be done especially when they have no understanding
    of what it is I do
    I have been reading posts from years past and have found
    that TDV is in the center of nearly every controversy that has
    come up on this forum and every stance he has taken
    has been very NEGATIVE . That kind of negativity serves no
    purpose it doesn't help anyone
    It seems he spends a lot of his time trying to discourage
    people from improving their game
    He says , THERE IS NO SKILL , only luck
    some people new to the game will believe that
    Anyway I hope you have success in what ever you choose to do
     
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  17. twodicebilly, Jun 21, 2018

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    thanks for the post.


    My wife says the same thing, everything ones says
    does not always come out the right way.

    But it is what it is and that does not mean some of what I see on here I have to agree with .

    but life goes on


    tdb


    ps

    I might also add that just before I called you I had just got off the phone with an attorney trying to tell me one of my tenants really should not have to pay her water bill and that allowing her dog to piss all over one of my homes was just a normal way to live
     
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  18. Mssthis1, Jun 21, 2018

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    My personal opinion is that most over estimate their skill and under estimate the bankroll requirements.
     
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  19. James Hall, Jun 21, 2018

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    Did you ever try that stuff I told you about for your hands??
     
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  20. tabletop123, Jun 21, 2018

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    I appreciate your suggestion, but....no I didn't. My wife ( Nurse) suggested Krill Oil, & I have been taking 750 mg ( 350 mg twice a day) along with a Grip strengthening exercise ( Farmer's Walk) in the Gym.
    I have experienced SOME improvement, but it's gonna take some time before things are TRULY manageable.
    Fortunately, I CAN toss my patented Underhand Toss, but....thus far...I have to modify my" pick-up" of the dice. ( It's a little bit funky, but a work in progress)

    The release is what is paramount , & the release is roughly 80-90%.( Happy with THAT)
    It's a slow process, but I do have other tosses that suit me just fine.....Thanks to ( G).
    A year ago, I couldn't even make a SOLID fist, but these days......I CAN!!!

    One thing is for certain.....If/when I get my Grip to 100%.....Good times are gonna roll.....AGAIN!!!!
     
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