Who is the bad guy here?

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by superricktoyou, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. superricktoyou, Jul 21, 2019

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    Oh, top now you're driving how many hours for 15 min's of play? Boy that's quite feat I wish I could do it!
     
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  2. twodicebilly, Jul 21, 2019

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    Sorry buddy, you have been saying this for weeks. Dice control
    does not work, the math of the math of tdhe game is against you, why
    waste all that time taking a class when , even ifyou can get an advantage it is so
    small not worht the effort..

    Hey i beleive you,,,,every thing we all have done is a waste of time so what is your answer.....
    here is your post.

    They get greedy, start increasing their wagers, & before they know it......they have lost all of their winnings & maybe some of the money in their pockets.

    For MYSELF....time is money. I'm NOT gonna grind at the tables, & then take unnecessary risks after I get ahead.

    Stand at a table for 30 minutes, & give back what I've won by taking MORE risks? Absolutely senseless!!!

    So if dice control is a complete waste of time, and the math is against us...….how are
    going get ahead right away???
    TDB
     
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  3. twodicebilly, Jul 21, 2019

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    I explained what I do and no one thought that was worth a crap
    so no use talking about that anymore.

    We are left what all of you do...
    If you know anything about Linaway material, you understand he
    research showed the hardway set was the worst set to play from, yet
    some of your buddies think it is the best set.

    We all know that is the GTC go to set, yet everyone here says taking these
    classes is a waste of time.

    there is a lot to talk about

    TDB
     
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  4. tabletop123, Jul 21, 2019

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    You don't have to. YOU can simply ride that bicycle with training wheels like you posted., While riding in that Video & be at a Casino in under 15 minutes. Buy-in for $100, & either win $45 for an hour of play, or visit the ATM 25 times & have the machine to tell ya that " You have reached your Daily withdrawal limit", whist returning home BROKE, & telling the Mrs. " Honey, I drilled the Casinos" a new Asshole... while you're on the phone in the bathroom with the door LOCKED.....checking with your Bank for your Daily Balance, before the Mrs finds out that YOU FU**KED UP AGAIN.......MASKED AVENGER!!!!
     
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  5. lone irish digit, Jul 21, 2019

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    This is Barney


    Yeah Mr Fat Bottoms, but look how much the Supperick saves on Petro by using electric bike to go to casino which probably equivalent to one buy in per week. The LID would say that play is smart and probably increases his craps edge by 1% per week.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Jul 21, 2019

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    Wow....I see why they call you Twodense Billy. I know this will come as a SHOCKER to you,, but......BRACE YOURSELF.......people win long, & short sessions everyday WITHOUT Dice Control.

    You've got people that win without even TOUCHING the dice. The problem with you is that you THINK " the shot" is everything. It is not!!
    You guys are trying to increase Off Axis tossing.....something that occurs naturally, from 66% to 80% or better? Dice RANDOMLY end up Off Axis, so NOW you are trying to increase randomness? Lol

    Make the toss MORE random? No such thing as more Random, or increasing randomness, Billy. ,Lol.,Man.......you guys are TOTALLY lost!!!!
    Wow, I wish I could have been one of those instructors in ,those 55 Classes that you took, & received some of those THOUSANDS that you spent on classes. Lol

    Yep....you ARE correct Billy. We just DONT understand what you do with the dice, & your new-found Dice Set changes. News flash........Neither do you!!! Have fun with your new venture.
    +1.
     
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  7. tabletop123, Jul 21, 2019

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    Billy....I'm not even sure if you purchased Linaway's material. If you purchased it, either you didn't read it. Read it, & didn't understand it, or used the material as Toilet Paper.

    Linaway CLEARLY stated that tossing with " Pairs" on the dice was not a good thing. Is it NOT possible to permutate the Hardways set, wherein you don't show pairs, but are still in a Hardways set? Is the Hardways dice set NOT in the recommended Group 1 Array?

    Did Linaway NOT say that it's best to start in a Group 1 array with the intent of landing in a Group 2 Array?

    Crossword puzzles help with cognitive abilities as we get older. Make that leap, Billy!!!!
     
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  8. DeMango, Jul 21, 2019

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    Top wish in one hand!
     
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  9. The Midnight Skulker, Jul 21, 2019

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    Ever hear the phrase "down and back"?


    Joke's on you, then. Don't tell me you also thought a "WOW WACKER" was :eek: a very profitable session!


    From my observations -- and yes, some thankfully rare personal experiences -- dark siders are especially vulnerable to this disease. Grind out a nice profit in an hour or two, then chase a hand and watch it evaporate in minutes.


    [This is a recording:] The math tells you that you are expected to lose, and that the more you play the closer, proportionally, you are expected to get to that loss regardless of how many time segments you break your total play up into. The math does not -- I say again, NOT -- say you will lose, and indeed a few players, even randies, actually come out ahead for their craps career.
     
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  10. twodicebilly, Jul 22, 2019

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    the only time the hardway set is worth a crap is if you cant shoot
    very well and you keep one dice with a hardway finish and the other
    not. 2,3,4,5 on one die and 1 or 6 on the other.

    I know many, many many guys trying to throw the on axis shot with the
    recommended hardway set......the vast majority of guys when their shot
    improved ran in the same problem, and there is not a dozen guys in the country
    that can beat a table with the hardway set and hundreds and hundreds have taken the
    classes.

    As far as Linaway is concerned....what you understand about his data is between
    him and you.....I understand it and he and I agree on my approach to the game.

    You think and play anyway you want.....

    TDB
     
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  11. tabletop123, Jul 22, 2019

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    Wrong again! Having my afternoon cup of coffee, but.....Alright, I'll TRY to explain this to you one LAST time.
    The group 1 sets are the ( Heavy 7's sets) 55/44, 66/55, & 66/44. THESE are the sets that you should toss out of. ( Group 1)
    Now, what Linaway advised is to NOT configure these dice sets with " Pairs showing ( flip a die forward, or backwards) You do NOT want your results of the toss to finish EXACTLY in ANY of the heavy 7's set, because they contain four 7's instead of two.

    Hence....you want to end up in a bi-axial dice set, ie..2V, 3V, X6's, which contain only two Sevens.

    Being that Dice are disobedient, you have almost a certainty ( 97-98% chance) of landing in a 2V, 3V, or X6's array, because THAT is what dice do NATURALLY ( without the Little Joe Class, or any Hocus Pocus) ....THEY END UP OFF AXIS from the original pre-set configuration.

    So.....you want to start off in a Heavy 7's set, KNOWING that 97-98% of the time, you will NOT end up in the same set. ( Truly On Axis)

    Now....regarding the double-pitch with the Hardways, or any of the other Heavy 7's set.....that is why a single pitch backwards, or forwards of one die PRIOR to tossing is recommended.

    Even if you DO double pitch with a Heavy7's set, 97'98% of the time, you will still be Off Axis. ( True Off Axis)

    Now, as you SHOULD know....On Axis, & "in theTossing plane" are two totally different things.

    I have explained this to you to the best of my ability, & trust, & believe that the ONLY reason you THINK that You, & Linaway see eye to eye on the explanation of his material ....is that Linaway....more than likely became tired of explaining the same things to you, over, & over again, & decided to " move on".

    I dunno.....Kokomo....maybe YOU can help Billy to understand what I just posted. You always seem to give " Crystal clear" explanations!!!

    Billy....Regarding me taking a Little Joe Class, or remaining miserable on the forum?

    I'll take " staying miserable on the forum for $300 please!!!
     
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  12. twodicebilly, Jul 22, 2019

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    So your telling me the hardway set as is the basis for all that GTC teaches
    which is 5/3 5/3 or 3/2 3/2 or 5/4 5/4 or 4/5 4/5 are the best sets to shot
    from.....????????? I would never use any of those...…...

    If you want to play games and say well I would not use those, but I would use
    5/3 3/5 or 5/4 4/5 etc...….that is 100% different...but that is not what most
    schools indicated as the hardway set.

    TDB
     
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  13. tabletop123, Jul 22, 2019

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    Play games? Wow, Billy. I am trying SO VERY HARD to give you the benefit of the doubt, but......well .....it's very hard to. Your understanding of even " the most simplest of things is.....Nill!

    Dammit.....I can just imagine how frustrated Rick became trying to fix your Little Joe toss ( of course we don't expect Rick to admit it, & will more than likely say that you were a fast learner.) lol A absolute pleasure to teach/instruct. I can only visualize Dom saying: " Just return Billy's fee. He is slowing up the Class.

    DID I NOT.....JUST in a prior post say to use the Hardways set, & click a die backwards , or forwards to offset the double-pitch, & still remain in a recommended Group 1 Array, prior to tossing the dice?

    THAT is NOT 100% different Billy. Its STILL a Group 1 Heavy 7's dice set.

    One FINAL time......it is NOT recommended to use ANY group 1 ( Heavy 7's set) with " Pairs" showing on the dice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Comprende?

    You can also DOUBLE PITCH using a Heavy 7's dice set, & NOT be " On Axis". In the TOSSING PLANE? Yes!!!

    " On Axis"?.....NOT NECESSARILY!!!!

    Kokomo....PLEASE help this guy to understand. My only other alternative is to explain this to Billy in " Braille", or maybe to draw pictures in Crayon.
     
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  14. KokomoJoe4, Jul 22, 2019

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    Exactly correct TDB, for exactly the reason described by tt123. So you guys are technically both correct.

    The 5/4:4/5 hardway set should give much better results than a standard HW setup showing number pairs all around.

    Using a combination of common sense and Linaway's theory of dice behaviour, those little buggers will bounce around and very likely end up in a different orientation than they were set in.
     
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    KoKo,

    That is the purpose of setting the dice, i.e. throw them in a manner that minimizes how much they bounce around, DUH...

    Setting the Hard Way has two advantages, the first being that more Hard Way's are hit, hopefully you know the second, DUH...

    eagleeye2
     
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  16. KokomoJoe4, Jul 22, 2019

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    Good luck with that EE2, DUH, I mean of course with the minimizing bouncing around. It doesn't happen, they bounce all around.
     
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  17. eagleeye2, Jul 22, 2019

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    KoKo,

    You are correct, one's throw is not always Right-On, BUT Being Right-On a high % of the time; enables one to beat the theoretical odds in CRAPS & when combined with a Betting Strategy, that makes use of the CASINO's $$$ enables one to WIN more $$$ than they lose @ CRAPS!!!

    eagleeye2
     
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  18. twodicebilly, Jul 22, 2019

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    You have not given me the benefit of the doubt since I have been here,
    so that's why I wont discuss what I do on here any ( further than I have)
    because I dont have to defend it, I just need to use it.

    Look around all the instructions given at all the classes should tell
    you something, like is has told me.....you have to take it all with a
    grain of salt. figure out what works for you.

    The biggest thing that happens here is a difference of terminology and
    a desire to exploit that to cause shit.

    TDB
     
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  19. tabletop123, Jul 22, 2019

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    As Billy said....Long gone are the old time " drop, & Stop" tables. Nowadays, Ya got Micro fiber, rubber, cork, closed cell foam, & a host of other things to cause more bounce, & erratic bouncing of the dice....not to mention something that ALWAYS existed....the Pyramids.

    I've heard there ARE a few venues in Vegas ( I would assume In a FEW other places as well) wherein the tables are " Dead" ( Neutral Bounce).
     
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  20. tabletop123, Jul 22, 2019

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    Well, Billy I said many posts ago that you would take a Hardways . or any Heavy 7's dice setn,( Group 1 dice set), & click a die forwards, or backwards. The whole premise is to start in a Dice set with four sevens, avoid the double pitch ( pitching a die forward, or backwards), & ending in a bi-axial dice set containing only two 7's. ( 2V, 3V, X6's) .....DONE!!!
     
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