When would you walk away from the craps table?

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by random_roller, Jul 28, 2016.

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At what point (financially) would you quit playing a craps session?

  1. After winning 10% of my total buy in.

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    9.5%
  2. After winning 25% of my total buy in.

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    14.3%
  3. After winning 50% of my total buy in.

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    4.8%
  4. After winning 100% or more of my original buy in.

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    9.5%
  5. After losing 10% of my total buy in.

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  6. After losing 25% of my total buy in.

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    14.3%
  7. After losing 50% of my total buy in.

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    33.3%
  8. After losing 100% of my total buy in.

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    4.8%
  9. When the ATM will no longer given me money.

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  10. Not unless I"m kicked off the table or out of the casino. Quitters are for losers!

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    9.5%
  1. Edward-ky, Jul 30, 2016

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    I have a question what does it matter if opposite sides add to 7 if they are bias the dice they bias the way they want to produce a 7.
     
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  2. eagleeye2, Jul 30, 2016

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    It matters in that, as long as Opposite Sides of a DIE add to (7) any Weight Unbalance will Favor an INCREASE in (7's), which the Casino LOVES!

    eagleeye2
     
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  3. Onautopilot, Jul 30, 2016

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    Idiot!
     
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  4. eagleeye2, Jul 30, 2016

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    Verified IDIOT Onautopilot,

    The following involves analysis of BIASED DICE, (As proposed by FredP) wherein One Die is Fully Balanced & the Second is Unbalanced such that 2 (3's) are rolled along with one each of 1, 2, 4, 5, & 6 in a 7 sequence, of DICE Throws.

    The analysis has nothing to do with Your Claims of Random B.S., wherein you can Make Up any Distribution of #'s that you wish, in your efforts to Deny the Reality of Biased Dice!

    Denying the Reality of TWO DICE in PLAY, in the game of CRAPS is LUDICROUS on your part!

    The following MATHEMATICS Cannot be PROVEN WRONG, despite your FLAWED effoertrs to do so!

    Yes, Onautopilot You are a Mathematical IDIOT!

    Of Course with the Biased Dice you indicated, the distribution of throws is:
    1/7 = 1 ~ Vs 1/6 = 1 for the Balanced DIE!

    Thus the Balanced DIE has an EQUAL chance of landing with each of it's 6 FACES UP, producing #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6!

    The Biased DIE has the SIX #'s shown above PLUS an EXTRA # 3 SHOWING UP, in the 7 throws, that it takes to complete the sequence you set up.

    Now Freddie, there are TWO DIE used in CRAPS & that EXTRA 3, can only Match with the EQUAL Probabilities of #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 from DIE # 2 in your example.

    Using Mathematics, you can NULL OUT the 36 Combinations, consisting of DIE # 2, when combined with the #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6, of DIE #1.

    What you have left is THAT EXTRA PESKY #3, (from DIE # 1) which of Necessity can only Combine with #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 from DIE # 2; resulting in #'s 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9, when combining the TWO DIE used in CRAPS.

    Doing the Simplified Math, we have 6 / 36 or 1 in six or 0.166666666666667 % SEVENS with FULLY Balanced Dice.

    With the Biased Dice (AS SPECIFIED IN YOUR EXAMPLE) we have 6 / 36 + (1/7 * 1/6); or our BASE of 0.16667 Plus 1/42 or 0.02381 (For a CASINO TAKE INCREASE of 2.3581%) or a 7 hit rate of 0.19048 in your specified example.

    And eagleeye2's Generalized Proof that any unbalance in CASINO DICE Produces an increase in 7's over that of FULLY BALANCED DICE, has been proven valid!

    Sorry, Onautopilot but that is MATHEMATICS that cannot be DENIED!

    eagleeye2
     
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  5. Onautopilot, Jul 30, 2016

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    Harley, you're getting repetitious again!
     
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  6. eagleeye2, Jul 30, 2016

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    Posting ""Harley"" proves that you are:

    1) As Blind as a BAT!

    2) As Dumb as a ROCK!

    eagleeye2
     
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  7. Edward-ky, Jul 30, 2016

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    OK so the casino orders dice that are weighted on the 4 side all 5 dice are that way. By just what you said since opposite sides add to 7 that will make 7 appear more? Remember you said ANY WEIGHT UNBALANCE. What does that comic say HERE'S YOUR SIGN!!
     
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  8. eagleeye2, Jul 30, 2016

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    Yes, It's programmed in!

    eagleeye2
     
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  9. Twelve4s, Aug 1, 2016

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    I have to agree with you here. Just waiting for the cat to fall from the bag.
    Best luck to you in Mesa and your beer with the great one.
     
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    I really need to get one of those. Are they expensive?
     
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    Finally something new and original from old eagleye.

    I was getting tired of DUH, YOUR A HOOT, IDIOT, 6th grade math, correct # 0f 7s, yada yada yada
     
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  12. Twelve4s, Aug 1, 2016

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    Bring some cash,

    image.jpeg
     
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    I can't remember. But it I think they were 10K bills in Binions "take your picture with $1,000,000" display
     
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  14. Twelve4s, Aug 1, 2016

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  15. betwthelines, Aug 1, 2016

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    that is correct

    it was a truly impressive, unique & impact-ful tourist attraction...$10k gold certificates circulated only among banks.

    with a tin ear for creativity, the corporate clowns replaced it with common $100 bills, turning it into a pathetically imitative tourist trap

    tom p
    -g. geist: you can still get your picture taken with it...
    --tom p: yes, and i have deliberately declined to do so
    ---g. geist:
    ----tom p: sure wished i'd a had it snapped back in the day though...
     
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  16. Twelve4s, Aug 1, 2016

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    Are these the famous butt brothers?

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  17. HornHiYo, Aug 1, 2016

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    lol! Look at 'em toot their horns together. Their butts are just right and ready for the Keyboard Crapster's nose.
     
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  18. James Hall, Aug 1, 2016

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    and they disagree with your opinions
     
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  19. eagleeye2, Aug 1, 2016

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    Poor FredP,

    eagleeye2 Posted: ↑

    Freddy, sorry about your Alma Mater, (Freddie stated it was CCNY), Referencing this taken off the internet; By the way, I hope things were better @ CCNY when you went there, here's one appraisal of CCNY!

    "" Incompetence is systemic at CCNY, a state funded college, part of the CUNY system.

    Major problems:

    1) Science Teachers who are unable to speak the English language

    2) Inadequate and inefficient support staff

    3) Nebulous information regarding financial aid. For example, when are disbursement checks mailed?

    CCNY teachers and staff display a functional stupidity. You meet some well trained professors but overall, especially in the Engineering department, you will be greeted by dishonest and ineffective professors who have a severe high contempt for their students. It's no wonder widespread cheating is the norm at CCNY.

    Also, the president of the College should be fired. I have no idea what she does.""

    Yep, got that directly off of the internet, sorry about your Alma Mater Freddie.

    eagleeye2


    To which FredP Posted: ↑

    ""I'm not. (i.e. Freddie is not, sorry about his Alma Mater), They made me a hundred times smarter than you. Too bad you don't have an Alma Mater""


    To which eagleeyee2 Posted:

    WoW FredP, You Just PROVED Beyond a Shadow of Doubt (i.e., you are not sorry about your Alma Mater) that you Absolutely have NO Alma Mater, yes FredP, you are just total B.S.!

    I know of NO ONE that does not Defend their "College Alma Mater" & you FredP verified that you Obviously do not have one!

    You likely barely made it through High School & your mathematics Skill here verify that.


    Typical Brain Trust postings, by FredP.

    eagleeye2's Original Challenge to the Brain Trust regarding Mathematical 0nalysis of Craps ~ Great observation, my original Suggestion & Recommendation is to take MY Mathematical Analysis to a Math or Statistics Professor & let him decide weather eagleeye2 or the Bain Trust calculations are correct, DUH!!


    To which FredP Posted:

    I did that stupid. My old college math prof was confused because you don't show your work e.g. "Applying a bit of mathematics", "More 7's, as, once we NULL them out" etc. He also said the method used to analyze is not valid because of the small sample and many assumptions.
    He directed me to this site:https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/probability_book/amsbook.mac.pdf
    BTW is name is Professor Gill of CCNY. I'll post a picture if I can find my yearbook
    FredP,


    To which eagleeyee2 Posted:

    I CALL your BLUFF!

    Provide me with the E-Mail Or Phone # of Professor Gill,of City College of New York & I will contact him personally!

    eagleeye2


    To which FredP Posted:

    Sorry, he's retired and I'm not giving out his e-mail or phone #.
    You'll have to continue to deny everything anyone tells you that you don't agree with.
    Go to the site and learn something.


    To which eagleeyee2 Posted:

    EXACTLY What I expected from FredP! Your LIES show in your post! You NEVER Contacted One Professor Gill, yet you POST LIES, about him, DUH!

    By the way, I hope things were better @ CCNY when you went there, here's one appraisal of CCNY!

    "" Incompetence is systemic at CCNY, a state funded college, part of the CUNY system.

    Major problems:

    1) Science Teachers who are unable to speak the English language

    2) Inadequate and inefficient support staff

    3) Nebulous information regarding financial aid. For example, when are disbursement checks mailed?

    CCNY teachers and staff display a functional stupidity. You meet some well trained professors but overall, especially in the Engineering department, you will be greeted by dishonest and ineffective professors who have a severe high contempt for their students. It's no wonder widespread cheating is the norm at CCNY.

    Also, the president of the College should be fired. I have no idea what she does.""

    Yep, got that directly off of the internet, sorry about your Alma Mater Freddie.

    eagleeye2
     
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    OMG. Give it a rest Jimmy!
     
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