When do ya pull the plug?

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  1. tabletop123, Jul 24, 2017

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    This question is for flingers, zingers, rhythm rollers, Dice Influencers, Mechanical tossers, for those that just ENJOY tossing the dice.

    How many fu**ked up hands do ya toss before you say: "It just isn't my day"!

    Not that anyone gives a flying fu**k, but my limit is : Three hands with no profit= try again later! Chasing losses SUCKS!
     
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  2. DeMango, Jul 24, 2017

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    Change your set and try again. You are trying to figure out what the dice are doing. Three 5/2's on a hardway set and you change to the all 7's. For some, this is rocket science. For me it reinforces the need for "Table for one"
     
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  3. tabletop123, Jul 24, 2017

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    I see your point Demango! However, I would do it a little differently. I would rotate one die forward, (Hardways set) or go to either a X'6's, 2V, or 3V! The thing that I absolutely hate about the All Seven's, & Hardways set is this....If both dice land, & turn opposite each other (one flip horizontally), ya get that 61 seven out.

    With the other dice Sets ya don't get a Seven when that happens! You luckily get the number you're shooting for, or the sister number. Of course it's inadvertently done.....but STILL....a Winner!.

    For those that DO believe in slight influence....it's a TON of observational work that MUST be done EVERY single toss, making adjustments, & having a Very keen eye to track BOTH dice simultaneously.

    In my opinion, it's too much work for so little reward. Of course it MUST be done in order to know what the dice are doing, but every roll is independent, & after the fact.

    Say ya get three consecutive rolls wherein the left die flips over. Ya make a wager/s contigent upon that left die consistently flipping over, & then......BAM! The fu**king left die DOESNT flip over LIKE ITS BEEN DOING, & NOW......you're fu**d.

    We all look for little clues, after the facts, possible trends, consistencies, etc.

    Bottom line is that were STILL guessing, based upon previous results.....A Crapshoot!

    Gonna keep on trying......Hope springs eternal!
     
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  4. DeMango, Jul 24, 2017

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    The thing is, I can't do 3 and out!I'm there for 2-3 nights.

    I recently added up 5 results from 5 tables using same set, grip, toss and LZ. (777 results) First take had all 7's winning with SRR of 7. Then went to die distribution and right/front had 4.63%! Woah! Working this week, revamping BT to find out what can be done. A few, very early thoughts: Put sixes on that spot for field, ATS and uptown buy bets. Put 6/1 there, for not only 7 outs on the don't but hop them bastards and make Harley (Bi-Assed Dice) proud!

    Edit- well the 6/1 does not perform as well as other 7 out sets (Such as 1's kiss).
    However 5/3, 5/6 would be a killer set for buying 10, 11 and 12 at a crapless game. Throws off $1200 an hour with [email protected] number!
     
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  5. Twelve4s, Jul 24, 2017

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    My policy is that if the craps gods are pissed off at me, they usually have a direct way of communicating that anger, and if you're stubborn in the face of their anger, you will be annhiliated. So if I lose any 5 bets in a row, I quit. It's a sign from the gods.
     
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  6. tabletop123, Jul 24, 2017

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    I see your point Demango! However, I would do it a little differently. I would rotate one die forward, (Hardways set) or go to either a X'6's, 2V, or 3V! The thing that I absolutely hate about the All Seven's, & Hardways set is this....If both dice land, & turn opposite each other (one flip horizontally), ya get that 61 seven out.

    With the other dice Sets ya don't get a Seven when that happens! You luckily get the number you're shooting for, or the sister number. Of course it's inadvertently done.....but STILL....a Winner!.

    For those that DO believe in slight influence....it's a TON of observational work that MUST be done EVERY single toss, making adjustments, & having a Very keen eye to track BOTH dice simultaneously.

    In my opinion, it's too much work for so little reward. Of course it MUST be done in order to know what the dice are doing, but every roll is independent, & after the fact.

    Say ya get three consecutive rolls wherein the left die flips over. Ya make a wager/s contigent upon that left die consistently flipping over, & then......BAM! The fu**king left die DOESNT flip over LIKE ITS BEEN DOING, & NOW......you're fu**d.

    We all look for little clues, after the facts, possible trends, consistencies, etc.

    Bottom line is that were STILL guessing, based upon previous results.....A Crapshoot!

    Gonna keep on trying......Hope springs eternal!
    Maybe I should be clear! Ya don't have to leave the Casino. Just end the session. My problem is the opposite. I am NOT at a Casino for three days at a time.

    Due to home commitments ( NO, I am NOT on fucking House Arrest lol), I am only at the Casino for a few hours!

    Hopefully, that will change when I get things situated. Don't misunderstand me....I have no problem being on "at the Table, Playing Craps, "Time Constraints".

    I actually WELCOME it. However, it would be refreshing to just retire to my room, instead of being obligated to hop in the car, & head back home! Family commitments, responsibilities become very draining on a DAILY basis.

    Going through some very trying times in the Household, & it's basically impossible for me to have any REAL leisurely time. As the old saying goes: "Family is everything"!
     
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  7. TDVegas, Jul 24, 2017

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    Hey tabletop..I pulled a you today. Bought in, guy next to me immediately got on a 20+ roll, hit 3 points. Profit. Out of Dodge.

    I was almost disappointed to leave so early;)

    About 10 minutes...in and out. What am I going to do?....see another immediate 20+ roll? Doubtful. Take the money and run.
     
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  8. basicstrategy777, Jul 24, 2017

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    You're on the right track.

    I suggest instead of the table "telling' you if you will have luck that night....to play another game first. Not for a long time, but just to get a flavor for how the gods are feeling toward you this nite. It can be roulette/slots/BJ/keno.....My regimine use to be to start with a game of Keno. I would get a quick pick on the jackpot and a play the ways ( 3/6/9 )...I would ask the cage for how all 80 #'s came in for the last 30 games....and play those that came in the most ( opposite from Due ).

    The results can tell you how to start your craps betting ( very conservative or a little less conservative)......you get my drift.

    It's a relaxing way to spend 20 minutes.

    777
     
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  9. tabletop123, Jul 24, 2017

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    Yep...that's what I've been telling you guys all along! Get WHATEVER ya can win in the least amount of time, & quit the session. Craps is such a volatile game. Ebbs, & flows. Ahead $150....ten minutes later....STUCK for $250.

    I just don't fight or chase big wins anymore. Get what I can as Quickly as possible, &......to the Cage.

    The Casinos want you in action, CONSTANTLY, & for as long as ya can Stand at the table. I have no magic Dust, Vodoo, or influence over the dice.
    However, what I DO have is CONTROL over how long I play. I choose to get as much as I can in 1-2 hands & quit! So, does this method of play label me as " Scared Straight", "Wanna leave as soon as possible" player? Okay, then......I'm your Huckleberry!
     
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  10. TDVegas, Jul 24, 2017

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    Ahead $150...?

    A little less, LOL;).....more than a little;)
     
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    With my negative progression betting strategy, I have no leaving triggers when it comes to short rolls.

    They are just part of the game I play, expected, and off set by the winning ones most times.

    But I am with you on the small win and get gone part! :)
     
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  12. Freddyy, Jul 24, 2017

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    See you hear all the time, look at what your dices are doing and try to adjust your set to your throw.

    WRONG!

    If you want to have influence on the dice, you need to have them deflect in the same line most of your throw. You hear make your dice square, throw square, level your dice, throw so it bounces the least but add spin...that's way too complicated.

    Throw a hardway set, any. Throw angled to the wall a bit with the least bounce. Your dice will bounce like on a pool table for most of your succesful throws. One die will prolly flip over and break from hardway most of the time...which means no double pitch. You will see longer rolls.
     
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  13. twodicebilly, Jul 25, 2017

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    There are a lot of ways to play the game, and the more of them you know the better chance
    you have to win.
    I have been on a long road trip with the game of craps.... about 44 years now and like
    that Farmers Insurance ad, I have learned a thing or two because I have seen a thing or two.

    I tried the larger better system, the small better system, the get up and leave system, the all
    day system, Franks Doey donts system, the GTC shot the Little joe shot, read about hundreds
    of betting systems, even tried a few and played with some pretty good players .

    What I found is they all work, and then again none of them work, what matters is what you have
    learned..
    Pardon this long post, but it makes a point.....as many know I fish a lot and have done many
    tournaments... my son and his partner now do most of them...I help with the pre fishing and
    charting the areas... anyway,,, last week was a bugger, early in the week we could catch
    a good number of Walleyes,, but not big enough to win the event so we moved 20 miles
    and we found a few larger fish, but not enough of them to win...hot no wind, 12 hour
    days all week and Saturday night still no answer and the tournament starts in 12 hours...
    Ok what do we know....from 20 years of fishing this area...where is the wind going to be,
    where do we find the larger ones under those conditions no matter what happened the last week..
    they agreed on the same spot...

    Well top........55.81 pounds of Walleye with just 5 fish..... another tournament win, 1/10
    ounce away from the largest 5 fish bag in tournament history...
    Why...because all the years of work and what they did find during the week led to
    a decision based on the best data they had.....during the day they saw 1 of the other
    99 boats...

    Yesterday I played... had maybe 4 hands, few 6' one hand but dice looked ok
    results were not good and there was a loud mouth betting hundreds and losing
    his ass and complaining. Last hand I had think 5 6 &8, in combination , a 9 and
    a 10... he made some money back....and when the 7 hit with no pass line winner
    he went off like a rocket...not a f... pass line winner...I was a tad ahead and cashed
    out and said you throw them....make your own money....

    I took a break and when he left I went back...to be honest my shot was not
    effective and I did change sets and got 6,6,7 or 6,8,3,7, that kind of crap, but
    there were two other guys shooting and hot number of 6 by far. I changed
    my shot a tad and started betting larger on the two numbers that were
    primary....I had a very nice win at 3 times my $300 buy in.

    If I had given up or I had continued to shoot the same or bet to much on
    my shot when it was horse shit....it would have been a bad day..

    So to be honest I have changed a tad in that, I don't mind playing a couple
    of hours as long as I play smart and don't get to bull headed and think my
    shot is the only factor at that table.

    twodicebilly
     
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  14. tabletop123, Jul 25, 2017

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    Nothing wrong with that. Ya play the way that is comfortable for you.
    My style of play is to hit, & get. Pee, & flee. I'm no stranger to Dice Influencing, & I have NEVER experienced a good turn-out if ya stick around & keep tossing the dice.

    Home Practice, & many "live" sessions has taught me that the longer that ya toss the dice....the worse things will get.

    When I played pool, the longer I hit the balls, the better I played. I'd get into "Dead Punch", & NOT miss a ball for long periods of time.
    Ya could sort of "Free stroke" the shots ( not really aim, because you were in Dead Punch), because ya know you weren't gonna miss.

    With tossing dice, it's the opposite. Ya can toss "Jam Up", & get some fu**ked up results. This is why ya have to play smart, & NOT always depend on your toss.

    Like Supperick says: " The best looking shot that I ever tossed was a Mother fu**king SEVEN OUT!
     
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  15. James Hall, Jul 25, 2017

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    Very nice post , lots of good information
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Jul 25, 2017

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    Well DeMango I love your passion but will not get on that roller coaster.I am not there to " fix" things.No rotating faces.If it is not working I shut it down.Like last night one good hand, one decent, and one a little short.But I saw my toss lacking the rotations I expect.So rather risking money on further hands I shut it down.Yes I live not far away so it is easier to take that approach.
     
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  17. DeMango, Jul 25, 2017

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    Dave you take the fun out of life on this board when we agree. Sooooo tell us again how FP is the best thing since sliced bread!
     
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  18. Dave G Ct, Jul 25, 2017

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    FP has been a fresh of breath air doing things his way. Had results that was impressive and gave life to a bunch of new to the game DI ers. Nice to see success stories. So let's wait and see what transpires.
     
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    Read TT's and TDV's take on things. High probability of cherry picked videos!
     
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  20. Dave G Ct, Jul 25, 2017

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    Cherry picked videos
    Easy to think that but we are talking 30 minutes or so of straight recording with audio content.Do you realise how hard it is to keep doing retakes? It would be nerve racking.. I can see a few but not on a continuous exercise.
     
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