When 2 is greater than 5

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by Dave G Ct, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Dave G Ct, Feb 10, 2019

    Dave G Ct

    Dave G Ct Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    6,852
    Likes Received:
    820
    Gender:
    Male
    Saw an interesting dice vid on Utube by Color Up.When place betting inside like $22 or $44 inside you are better off taking 2:hits and then taking your bets down.Say you are playing $22 inside. Two hits and down equals a $14 profit with original wager intack. Taking 5 hits and then the 7 showing realises only a $13 profit. Why risk the extra rolls especially when betting on all shooters! Not worth it.
    Now I am not bringing any regression moves into this discussion but keeping it simple.
    Nor am I bringing in the press press suicide off the cliff plays.
    Hey it is a negative expectation game. Use MM with loss limits.Called surviving.
     
    #1
    yacraps and HornHighBLEVE like this.
  2. von duck, Feb 10, 2019

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    8,200
    Likes Received:
    2,324
    Gender:
    Male
    Five of those, and you've "made wages" Dave. :) But you know, sooner or later, you will expose the $22 for a third, forth, and fifth hit, so, nothing has really changed. :confused: Whatever your comfort zone is, I guess. :cool:
     
    #2
  3. Dave G Ct, Feb 10, 2019

    Dave G Ct

    Dave G Ct Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    6,852
    Likes Received:
    820
    Gender:
    Male
    You are wrong Duckstir! Five times $7 equals $35 - $22 equals $13 less than the $14 you get after 2 hits
     
    #3
    yacraps likes this.
  4. ChequeMate8, Feb 10, 2019

    ChequeMate8

    ChequeMate8 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2019
    Messages:
    216
    Likes Received:
    106
    Gender:
    Male
    DGCt,
    You know Dave, that's the heart of why so many Players bust out at the table in under roughly 30 minutes. They don't take their PayDays when they hit!! Everybody (nearly) seems to be All In looking for the 100+ roll Monster that's going to pay for their entire trip, all in 1 shot. It's by far much easier to chip away with 3 or less hits at a time... Once you're up a couple hundred, then you can try to time jumping on a moving train. Right?
     
    #4
    yacraps likes this.
  5. Dave G Ct, Feb 10, 2019

    Dave G Ct

    Dave G Ct Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    6,852
    Likes Received:
    820
    Gender:
    Male
    Great post!!
     
    #5
  6. von duck, Feb 10, 2019

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    8,200
    Likes Received:
    2,324
    Gender:
    Male
    By five times I meant 5 of the "two and outs". That's 14 X 5, for $70 and it's so fast you'll save your $5 lunch money, netting you that magic number $75. :)
     
    #6
  7. Dave G Ct, Feb 10, 2019

    Dave G Ct

    Dave G Ct Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    6,852
    Likes Received:
    820
    Gender:
    Male
    Von Duck
    .Never realised that!
     
    #7
  8. tabletop123, Feb 10, 2019

    tabletop123

    tabletop123 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2013
    Messages:
    7,060
    Likes Received:
    5,058
    Bullshit!!! James says to bet Across, & press the first 4-5 hits. Every number tossed they ya don't have wagered brings you closer to the Seven Out.

    Craps ainy no negative expectation game for a REAL STEPPER.
    REMEMBER....if you lose $42....that's not considered as a loss, because ya " Stepped" away until a later day/time.

    LTSOQ...Learn to step or quit.
    LYAABINCALFARS....Losing your all across bet is NOT considered a loss for a REAL STEPPER.
     
    #8
  9. von duck, Feb 10, 2019

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    8,200
    Likes Received:
    2,324
    Gender:
    Male
    :confused: It almost sounds as if you're being sarcastic? :cool:
     
    #9
  10. tabletop123, Feb 10, 2019

    tabletop123

    tabletop123 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2013
    Messages:
    7,060
    Likes Received:
    5,058
    NEVER!!!!
     
    #10
    yacraps likes this.
  11. von duck, Feb 10, 2019

    von duck

    von duck Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2017
    Messages:
    8,200
    Likes Received:
    2,324
    Gender:
    Male
    I didn't think so. :)
     
    #11
  12. harrythewit, Feb 10, 2019

    harrythewit

    harrythewit Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2018
    Messages:
    50
    Likes Received:
    35
    Gender:
    Male
    That's why I like buying the 4 and 10.....2 to 1 real odds
     
    #12
  13. yacraps, Feb 14, 2019

    yacraps

    yacraps Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2011
    Messages:
    3,288
    Likes Received:
    3,758
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    san diego
    Dave I believe this 2 is better than 5 comes from the book written by Zeke, he is an advocator of the place bet after charting a Table I have his book some where in my library which is buried some where in the garage :rolleyes:
     
    #13
  14. KokomoJoe4, Feb 14, 2019

    KokomoJoe4

    KokomoJoe4 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,463
    Likes Received:
    4,022
    Location:
    Cranberry Twp, PA
    When two is greater than five:

    Make your choice, but no responses should be made before EE2 weighs in on the matter.

    Answer A, B or C:

    (A) 2 > 5 (B) -2 > -5 (C) 2 + 5 = 7
     
    #14
    HornHighBLEVE likes this.
  15. Mssthis1, Feb 14, 2019

    Mssthis1

    Mssthis1 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2016
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    3,516
    I play regressions from time to time and find them them a good way to play for myself.

    The thing to remember is if you have a few PSO's or hands with no hits in quick succession, you have dug a hole that will be hard to get out of because you lost large bets and are trying to recoup with smaller bets. You then need a plan B, or catch a hand of 20 or more with decent texture. By decent texture, I mean few horn numbers or repeaters if you're pressing after the regression.

    My plan B is to increase my initial bets. Your plan B may be different.
     
    #15
    TDVegas and KokomoJoe4 like this.
  16. eagleeye2, Feb 14, 2019

    eagleeye2

    eagleeye2 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2015
    Messages:
    3,012
    Likes Received:
    539
    Gender:
    Male

    KoKo,

    (B)

    eagleeye2
     
    #16
    KokomoJoe4 likes this.
  17. lone irish digit, Feb 14, 2019

    lone irish digit

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2015
    Messages:
    3,502
    Likes Received:
    4,213
    Das ist Herr Max Planck,

    Falscher Herr Eagles Scheiße. Laut meinem besten Freund, der 1927 den deutschen Physiker Werner Heisenberg erstmals vorstellte, erklärt er, je genauer die Position eines Teilchens ist, desto weniger genau kann sein Impuls bekannt sein und umgekehrt. Die formale Ungleichheit bezüglich der Standardabweichung der Position σx und der Standardabweichung des Impulses σp wurde später von Earle Hesse Kennard [3] und 1928 von Hermann Weyl [4] hergeleitet:

    {\ displaystyle \ sigma _ {x} \ sigma _ {p} \ geq {\ frac {\ hbar} {2}} ~~} \ sigma _ {x} \ sigma _ {p} \ geq {\ frac {\ hbar} {2}} ~~

    wobei ħ die reduzierte Planck-Konstante ist, h / (2π).

    Die Antwort darauf, dass die beiden größer sind als die fünf, ist manchmal der Fall und meistens nicht.
     
    #17
    KokomoJoe4 likes this.
  18. James Hall, Feb 14, 2019

    James Hall

    James Hall Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    14,993
    Likes Received:
    2,251
    Gender:
    Male
    You almost got it , you left out the important part
    in your haste to judgement.
    "EVERY BOX NUMBER THAT HITS you don't have a bet on
    is a missed opportunity for profit AND moves you
    one roll closer to a seven.
    Though your statement was made based in sarcasm there is
    an element of truth to this. Once the ,"STEPPER" as you put it
    is playing on house money it is almost impossible for him to lose.
    This would be some convoluted thought process dreamed
    up by some random player in an effort to justify his losses.
    Surely you don't believe that or are you the one who
    dreamed this up???
    Losing your all across for a stepper in not a regular occurrence

    Three hits of a 6 or 8 brings in $52 which would return
    his $42 plus a $10 profit ,

    The 4 or 10 brings in $75 which would return
    your $42 plus a $33 profit.

    he is now playing on house money
    and as earlier pointed out it becomes almost impossible to lose.
     
    #18
  19. ChequeMate8, Feb 14, 2019

    ChequeMate8

    ChequeMate8 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2019
    Messages:
    216
    Likes Received:
    106
    Gender:
    Male
    LID,
    I can appreciate the wisdom of Der Great Max Planck, unfortunately, like all great modern Germans, have been shamed into abandonment of their heritage and language to the point of where I speak better Spanish than Deutsche. At least the appreciation for the Accordian wasn't lost! Lol.
     
    #19
  20. KokomoJoe4, Feb 14, 2019

    KokomoJoe4

    KokomoJoe4 Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2013
    Messages:
    5,463
    Likes Received:
    4,022
    Location:
    Cranberry Twp, PA
    [QUOTE = "lone irish digit, post: 246515, member: 191605"] This is Mr. Max Planck,

    Wrong Mr. Eagles shit. According to my best friend, who first introduced the German physicist Werner Heisenberg in 1927, he explains that the more accurate the position of a particle, the less accurate its impulse can be known and vice versa. The formal inequality regarding the standard deviation of the position σx and the standard deviation of the momentum σp was later derived by Earle Hesse Kennard [3]and in 1928 by Hermann Weyl [4]:

    {\ displaystyle \ sigma _ {x} \ sigma _ {p} \ geq {\ frac {\ hbar} {2}} ~~} \ sigma _ {x} \ sigma _ {p} \ geq {\ frac {\ hbar} {2}} ~~

    where ħ is the reduced Planck constant, h / (2π).

    The answer to the fact that the two are larger than the five is sometimes the case, and usually not. [/ QUOTE]




    Herr LID,

    Sie erweisen Dr. Planck einen Bärendienst, indem Sie den numerischen Wert und die Einheiten von Planck es Konstante nicht auflisten.

    Bitte korrigieren Sie das, und ich danke Ihnen, kommen Sie wieder.
     
    #20
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2019
    Mssthis1 likes this.