What the hell is going on at Cherokee?

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  1. von duck, Dec 8, 2019

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    :confused:. OK, I didn't see this with my own eyes, but, got it from an absolutely impeccable source. A good friend of mine "Sparks" was at Harrah's Cherokee, this weekend, and saw some very "interesting" goings on. He said, that the Aruze throw to win game, the one that is like the regular game, except the betting is on touchscreen, had now been altered. The table surface had the mesh removed, they said because it had a tear in it. Instead of a rough but slick surface, it was now a very smooth but somewhat tacky, surface. Also added to the surface running latitudinal, were three or four "ribs" about 1/4 of an inch high, apparently to prevent "sliders". OK, now for the kicker, the "DICE" which looked just like the regular table dice before, were now, Opaque? That's right, he said held one up to the light and could see nothing through the dice, not at all like the "normal" translucent ones we're all used to seeing. He said he brought this observation to the attention of the dealer, and the pit, and asked them WTF? He also said that the dice coming to him were cold as hell, but after complaining to the pit, about the opaque nature of the dice, and why are they, he got no explanation at all, but the pit guy scurried away, and got on the phone to somebody. Well, conveniently enough, he said, he hit about 8 or 9 pass line winners in a row, and then got the hell out of that game, a little ahead, when he 7'd out.
    Now I ask anybody, to try to explained to me, what would be the logical purpose, to introduce "OPAQUE DICE" to a game, where traditionally, and for a very good reason, the dice are ALWAYS translucent. :confused: Go ahead, give me your best shot. :cool:
     
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    If you walk up to a game and notice right away the dice are fucked over or altered why on earth would you continue to play?
     
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    He said, (Sparks) that he did not immediately notice this difference. He said the dice appeared Red in color, but a very deep ruby. He said that it was when he actually handled them, that he noticed how deep the color was, so he held one up to the spotlights, and it was completely opaque. I find this to more than just a little suspicious. Perhaps there's some
    "logical" reason, I for one, would love to hear it. :cool:
    Your question is a good one, but does not address the issue. Anybody else got anything? Any of you "guns" need to borrow an 11 foot pole or anything? :)
     
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  4. von duck, Dec 9, 2019

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    ??? :cool: Hello, anybody, out there? TD? Mssaboat? Harrah's Managment? Surly there must be some "good" explanation. :confused: :)
    Only one other time, in my gambling "career" have I seen opaque dice at a craps table. It was in 1990s at the Gold Strike Casino in Jean. Those dice were a medium rust brown, and also, had the corners rounded. Only saw them in play once. :cool:
     
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    On another note, "Sparks" also informed me, that the "Essence Bubble" that disappeared a while back, had reappeared about 150 ft East of its original location, and was still NOT getting any play. For those not familiar, east at Cherokee, is in the direction of the attached parking garage. :cool:
     
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  6. Mssthis1, Dec 9, 2019

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    Sorry to hear your hours got cut.

    As far as the dice table it makes sense that changes would be made especially to thwart sliding the dice. They always underestimate the variability of humans including the dealer side who are often more interested in the game on tv than the game they're supposed to be dealing.

    I've played at a casino in Laughlin that was using white dice with rounded corners. They're out there. Personally, I prefer dark colored and frosted dice. Amber and light green are my least favorite. Dark blue ones are my favorite.
     
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    I've been to Laughlin a zillion times, and never saw white dice. What casino was that in? It matters NOT to me what color the dice are, but they should and "always" have been, translucent, not opaque. Nobody but the morons, would have a problem with the ribs. :confused: "The ribs are making the dice 7out". :rolleyes: Opaque dice, should never be tolerated by any player, and niether should those opaque "shuffling" boxes, or for that matter, the
    "V-SLOT" roulette wheels. My best guess is, crooked dice, they would have had to go shopping to find these dice. When I played that table, the dice appeared to be the same ones, that are used at the table, why the change?. I'm still curious, as to why it took a year, to get this game into a casino. :cool:
     
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    You were at a casino in Laughlin, and they were using White dice with rounded corners? :confused: Were you actually participating in the (Monopoly Tournament) or just "spectating"? :) My hours did not get "cut", I've been able to reduce them, by playing more efficiently. Should be able to suffice on about two hours a day, once I retire from this damned "JOB!".
     
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    Take some brand new casino dice, lob them onto the screen of your smart phone from several feet away and see if you can figure it out.

    Azure and Interblock definitely don't have upper echelon development engineers. They should of known some players would toss the dice like Nolan Ryan and some players and dealers would also do everything in their power to abuse the table surface.

    I had a long talk with one of the slot supervisors at a casino last week because he felt the Interblock single player machines were unreliable when the real problem is at least one of the degenerate gamblers who lives there pounds on the button like it's a whack a mole game. The only one that breaks down is the one he plays all the time. Who'd of thunk.
     
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    Don't have upper echelon engineering? :confused: Their "touts" are pretty "second-rate" too. :) There is an easy solution. Replace cyber layout with a regular "bouncy-stuff and felt" layout. Show the player bets on the secondary screen behind the dealer. :cool: In any case, the use of opaque dice, is completely unacceptable, and this game should be shunned by ALL players until the situation is remedied. If they don't fix this problem, I think it would be to most people's advantage, to just shun Harrah's all together. Aruze already has made a very bad name for itself , with their bubble machines, (fixed), and this thing, may well see their demise. No great loss to the players, I guarantee you.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Dec 10, 2019

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    Is the surface actually glass on this throw to win craps table?

    If it's smooth...I'm surprised no one figured out prior to installation and testing that dice sliders would find their way to the table. As far as the dice go...you're right, tossing them onto any hard surface will destroy them pretty fast.

    Cosmo used to have (maybe they still do) underlit (backlit) felt roulette tables. That would probably be a better option for this throw to win craps game.
     
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  12. von duck, Dec 10, 2019

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    The surface is not glass, but rather clear plastic. Plexiglass or lexan, I'd say. It is not one piece, but 3 or four pieces. The video graphics on the table are totally unnecessary, and IMO, diminish, rather than enhance, the dice experience. There is big screen behind the dealer, for those that need that bullshit. :cool:
     
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    If the graphics weren’t necessary....neither is a plastic surface. In that case....this game has already been tried at Barbary Coast. Don’t think it worked out.

    Not every version will catch on. Less employees to run a game is something today’s casino industry will explore. In today’s world....4 crew to run anything is a dinosaur, dodo bird.
     
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    The Aruze web sight says this is the first and only one of these things in action. The "good" thing about it, is the touchscreen betting, not all that video shit. Just make it as much like a regular dice game as possible, with touchscreen betting, and it might just "go". Some provision for tipping the dealer, might help make it more popular with the crew. The betting "window" is a little short between rolls, but that's probably, more in the players favor than they think. The touchscreen betting eliminates a lot of bullshit, and "should" eliminate payoff errors, which should benefit both the player and the house. Just go with the touchscreen betting, and forget all the other bullshit. :cool:
     
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    The only video I saw of this game...the crew was 1 person. Stick girl.

    I'd give this game a shot...opaque dice and all.

    What are the table limits? What's the betting window? Once the dice are called....15-20 seconds should be enough unless someone is hedging the hell out of it.

    This game was supposed to be installed at O'Sheas here in Vegas. I assume it never happened.
     
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    When I played this game a few weeks ago, it was being played with normal looking, translucent dice, that appeared to be the same ones used at the table. It is an ARUZE game, so I urge everybody, to approach it with caution. If a craps game is being played with opaque dice, do NOT play the game. This would include the bubble.
    I believe the table limits were $5 - $2000, double odds. The betting window between throws, is only about ten seconds, plenty of time, to get down all of the bets necessary, to run a "Testicles" play.
    Opaque dice, are BULLSHIT. Do NOT play against them, period! :cool:
     
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    I think LIDS casino chicks have white lice I mean dice o_O
     
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    On my way to Cherokee to check out these Opaque Dice for myself. I've got on an Asian disguise, so maybe I can catch them off-guard. I'll get to the bottom of this. I was needing to pick up some pocket money anyway. I'll let you know tomorrow, how it goes. :cool:
     
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    Well, I'm out here in the parking deck, taking a break, and I can tell you first hand, the "Roll to Win" table, defiantly has OPAQUE DICE. Funny thing, nobody else even seemed to notice. :confused: I was very careful not to raise any flags, just studied the drop of the dice, the players, if you could call them that, (bubble city). :D I used my "testicles" system for my play, small as I could play it, and I won about $50, it was like $49 and change, for about 2hours "work". :) Picked up a solid $300 playing another game, and I'm thinking about calling it "a trip". Don't want to get into a "knock-down - drag out". I took some notes, and I'll give you a better take on this thing tomorrow. I'm going to call it a night, and head home, happy. :) :cool:
     
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  20. von duck, Dec 15, 2019

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    Well, shortly after post #19, I drove on home, leaving with $350 profit. Got a really bad cramp in my leg from sitting on a too fat of a wallet, got to remember to put my wallet in my from pocket for the ride home. :)
    Now, about those Opaque dice. When the dice are in front of the dealer, they appear to have a deep ruby tint to them, but up close, they appeared to be black, "not that there's anything wrong with that".:D They may be slightly larger than "standard" table dice, but I didn't have my micrometers with me, and I always catch a lot of heat, when I use them at the table, anyway. :) Didn't notice anything terribly unusual, but these dice appear to fall, somewhat like the bubble dice, if you know what I mean.
    On this table, the dice seem to come to rest, more quickly, then I can find any logical reason to explain. This was also true with the original dice, and mesh in,place, so I don't know.
    The newly installed ribs, four of them, are triangular rods, and about 1/4 of an inch, on a side.
    The pace of this game is rather slow, and somewhat dependent on how expedient the dealer was at entering the numbers, and, how long the "DI's" ass around to find their set. I had it at about one throw per minute, give or take a little.
    I didn't see any reason to believe that the Opaque dice were not "straight" at this time, but, Opaque dice offer opportunities for cheating, that are much more difficult, with transparent dice. So, i advise caution. :cool:
    Something else I noticed, was that the duffus in the pit, never ventured over to the table this time, whereas before, he seemed overly concerned with this table. For some reason, the large screen behind the dealer, was not functional.
    This game was getting action, unlike either bubble, but the players appeared to be the same "low-caliber" type you find at the bubble. Of the Ten seats, maybe two "guns", the rest, :) "dead-money".
    I like the touch screen betting, and the previous rolls screen, but they can have all that other video bullshit, craps doesn't need it. :cool: For the record, played about two hours, with absolute minimum bets, and made about $50.
     
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