What Influences May a Player Have Over DICE?

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  1. von duck, Mar 9, 2017

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    Masterbation 101? Did you learn anything? What did Ed think about this? Whatever you and Ed did in 6th is between you and him.
     
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    Keep thinking about this E2. THETRUTH IS OUT THERE. "STATIC". My My, look at all of these robots.
     
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  3. eagleeye2, Mar 9, 2017

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    Sorry LID,

    But rubbing Casino Dice on the FELT or other Craps TABLE Surface Material & scuffing off a few electrons Absolutely Does Not Decease The Dimensions of the DICE!

    You see, an electron is a ""Sub Atomic Particle"" ~ Reference ~
    1. What is a electron?
      An electron is a negatively charged subatomic particle. It can be either free (not attached to any atom), or bound to the nucleus of an atom. Electrons in atoms exist in spherical shells of various radii, representing energy levels.
    Your claim of Milling the Dice is Totally LAME, as but a few Electrons are scuffed off the Dice by Rubbing them on the Felt, & totally unlike Milling the Plastic with a Milling Cutter, which takes off Thousands of Millimeters with each Pass.

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  4. Twelve4s, Mar 9, 2017

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    You should publish this in the Journal of Science. You show a deep understanding of the metric system. I always thought there were a thousand millimeters in a meter. I'd like to see this milling machine that can make one meter cuts through plastic! Also, most people understand that you can't decease a dimension unless you have a time machine. You can decrease a dimension with various hand tools.
     
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    Did you ever see a German Shepard piss on an electric fence? Now that's a sight. Never got shocked by plastic pellets, but I'm sure it gets your attention.
     
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  7. lone irish digit, Mar 9, 2017

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    Eagle2

    That is not my claim but rather Supperick or the Mad Professor, I can't remember which. It does make sense to me that if the same face gets rubbed vigorously over time the surface will be reduced maybe enough to cause a small bias.

    With regard to static electricity, Barney thinks a die surface can pickup up a small charge if rubbed (it becomes charged) and if attached to a surface on the other die that was not rubbed (it is neutral) there will be a very small amount of attraction but for me not enough to make a difference. What you are really doing is advocating a superstitious circular rubbing behavior which if followed because of this attraction theory will result in more people waiting for the dice to be fucken tossed while an idiot schools and then rubs the dice on the surface in an effort to gain an unlikely advantage (if you are Jigaboo Jones please ignore the above). Like I said Barney has a difference of opinion from me on this matter and he advertise his skunkhats as the best material to rub dice in order to induce electron transfer.
     
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    This isn't at all, what I'm advocating, keep thinking E2.
     
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    Twelve4s needs a brain transplant, any donors out there, anybody? Liman? FredP?Guber Pyle? Seems to be at a loss for words, change the subject, change the subject, hum, very interesting.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Mar 10, 2017

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    Twelve4s,

    1. Dimensions of a dice
      ""The Dimensions of a Die. Each side of a die has a standard size of 16 millimeters. However, other sizes usually range from 10 to 30 millimeters. Each of the six faces of a die features a pip, which comes in the form of a dot or dots.""
    Twelve4s, I did NOT say that a Milling Machine only Takes (1) pass to perform a CUT, there are adjustments for CUT Depth during a pass! Yes, 1000 mm is rather excessive when milling Plastic.

    But, you seem to be on the Ancient Aliens Trak, with your ""decreasing dimension" & a ""Time Machine"" to do it with. Why not ask them Why Opposite Sides of a Die add to (7), while you are at it?

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    LID,

    Barney's "skunk hat" would likely present a GREAT MATERIAL to rub dice on to electrostatically charge them, BUT how does Barney rub the dice on the hat on his head during an active CRAPS game, without being deep 6ed???

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  12. KokomoJoe4, Mar 10, 2017

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    You have opened Pandora's box here EE. In multi-electron atoms (everything except hydrogen), the electron orbitals are arranged into sub-shells possessing multiple quantum numbers unique to each electron. Only the s subshells, consisting of one orbital, are spherical. p,d,f and g sub-shells are more complex and have a variety of funky shapes.

    LID's buddy Planck, as well as guys like Hund, Pauli and Schrödinger describe principal, azimuthal, magnetic and spin quantum numbers to clearly represent the wave function of electrons to describe their generalized location with respect to the nucleus.

    You are not rubbing these babies off of the dice. Rubbing applies to the course described by Baron von duck.
     
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    KoKo,

    I selected the following:
    1. What is a electron?
      An electron is a negatively charged subatomic particle. It can be either free (not attached to any atom), or bound to the nucleus of an atom. Electrons in atoms exist in spherical shells of various radii,a negatively charged subatomic particle
    Mainly to illustrate that an electron is ""a negatively charged subatomic particle""

    Electrons do ""Orbit in Generally Spherical Shells of Various Radii, associated with their energy levels.

    Yes, those Orbits are not perfectly Spherical & strongly attached electrons will not be pulled off, but rubbing certain materials on certain other materials will result in Static Electrical Charges, either from removing electrons, or by re-arranging electrons in the material, as some newer theories claim.

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    Correct!
     
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    Eagleeye2 has long enough been touting his asinine theory about how “any Weight Unbalance
    whatsoever, favors the Casino, in that MORE than the Statistically Correct # of SEVENS will
    automatically occur, whenever there is a Weight UNBALANCE in the DICE!”.
    Here’s proof that that’s a crock.

    You can analyze the effects of biased dice using the following example steps and calculations.

    1) Assign a bias value to the numbers on one or both dice, e.g. die 1 bias allows the probability of the number 3 to roll two times more than the probability of the other numbers; die 2 is unbiased and rolls all numbers with equal probably.

    2) A probability distribution must add up to 1 (this means one of the numbers is sure to roll). Therefore the distributions for the dice will be:
    Die 1 Die 2
    # Probability # Probability

    1 p 1 1/6
    2 p 2 1/6
    3 2p 3 1/6
    4 p 4 1/6
    5 p 5 1/6
    6 p 6 1/6

    3) The die 1 sum is set to 1 to find the value of p.
    7p=1 p= 1/7


    4) The distribution for die 1 is now:
    # Probability
    1 1/7
    2 1/7
    3 2/7
    4 1/7
    5 1/7
    6 1/7

    5) Now consider all the possible ways to roll a 7with two dice:
    1-6, 2-5, 3-4, 4-3, 5-2, and 6-1.

    The probability of each of these events occurring is found by multiplying the probability of each part of the event.
    For instance, to find the probability of rolling a 1- 6, you must multiply the probability of rolling a 1 by the probability of rolling a 6. The probability of rolling a 7 is the sum of the probabilities for each combination of numbers resulting in 7.

    P(sum =7) = (1/7)(1/6) + (1/7)(1/6) + (2/7)(1/6) + (1/7)(1/6) + (1/7)(1/6) + (1/7)(1/6)
    = .0238 + .0238 + .0476 + .0238 + .0238 + .0238

    P = .166 The unbiased dice value for P is 1/6 = .166

    So here’s a case where a bias has no effect on the probability of rolling a 7, which is a direct contradiction to eagleeye2’s “theory”.
    In fact, if you do a more general calculation you’ll find that any bias of one die together with a fair die results in the same probability of rolling a 7 which is 1/6. (I’ll be glad to show this more general calculation if needed.)
    When considering a bias on both dice it gets more complicated. You can have biases which increase the probability of rolling a 7, e.g. if die 1 has a bias for rolling more 5s and die 2 has a bias for rolling more 2s. And you can have biases which actually reduce the number of 7s, e.g. if both dice produce a 4 three times more likely than the other numbers.
    There’re infinite ways to assign biases and infinite results in which more or less 7s are rolled.
    Note also that dice having opposite sides adding up to 7 doesn’t even enter the picture.

    To be somewhat crude and insulting (like eagleeye2), this proves he’s full of shit, and since he is a dunce that never got past 6th grade he won’t understand a bit of this and will reference his trash posts in rebuttal.
    BTW: eagleeye2 was banned on the Wizard of Vegas site for trolling and multiple ids. Surprise?
     
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  16. eagleeye2, Mar 10, 2017

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    More Faulty B.S. from FredP!

    Here is Proof of what FredP Requested!

    The following involves analysis of BIASED DICE, (As proposed by FredP) wherein One Die is Fully Balanced & the Second is Unbalanced such that 2 (3's) are rolled along with one each of 1, 2, 4, 5, & 6 in a 7 sequence, of DICE Throws.


    The analysis has nothing to do with Your Claims of Random B.S., wherein you can Make Up any Distribution of #'s that you wish, in your efforts to Deny the Reality of Biased Dice!


    Denying the Reality of TWO DICE in PLAY, in the game of CRAPS is LUDICROUS on your part!


    The following MATHEMATICS Cannot be PROVEN WRONG, despite your FLAWED efforts to do so!


    Yes, FredP & Onautopilot You are both Mathematical IDIOTS!


    Of Course with the Biased Dice you indicated, the distribution of throws is:

    1/7 = 1 ~ Vs 1/6 = 1 for the Balanced DIE!


    Thus the Balanced DIE has an EQUAL chance of landing with each of it's 6 FACES UP, producing #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6!


    The Biased DIE has the SIX #'s shown above PLUS an EXTRA # 3 SHOWING UP, in the 7 throws, that it takes to complete the sequence you set up.


    Now Freddie, there are TWO DIE used in CRAPS & that EXTRA 3, can only Match with the EQUAL Probabilities of #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 from DIE # 2 in your example.


    Using Mathematics, you can NULL OUT the 36 Combinations, consisting of DIE # 2, when combined with the #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6, of DIE #1.


    What you have left is THAT EXTRA PESKY #3, (from DIE # 1) which of Necessity can only Combine with #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, & 6 from DIE # 2; resulting in #'s 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9, when combining the TWO DIE used in CRAPS.


    Doing the Simplified Math, we have 6 / 36 or 1 in six or 0.166666666666667 % SEVENS with FULLY Balanced Dice.


    With the Biased Dice (AS SPECIFIED IN YOUR EXAMPLE) we have 6 / 36 + (1/7 * 1/6); or our BASE of 0.16667 Plus 1/42 or 0.02381 (For a CASINO TAKE INCREASE of 2.3581%) or a 7 hit rate of 0.19048 in your specified example.


    And eagleeye2's Generalized Proof that any unbalance in CASINO DICE Produces an increase in 7's over that of FULLY BALANCED DICE, has been proven valid!


    Sorry, Freddie, but that is MATHEMATICS that cannot be DENIED!


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    Sorry eagleturd your "arithmetic" has been denied by a math professor and disproven by me.
    If one die is biased to only roll 4s and it is rolled with an unbiased die, the probability of rolling a 7 is the same as for two unbiased dice, DUH. Explain why that's not true without reposting your trash you dishonest Jerk.
     
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    FredP,

    I called your Bluff on that Math Professor & his Lack of seeing my analysis above, previously!

    My analysis as posted by me above cannot be DISPROVEN, as it is Pure MATHEMATICS, period.

    As to your B.S. On Biased Dice, a Third Grader can add (4) to the six sides of a Die (as you post in your Totally Lame PROOF) & get ~ 5, 6,7, 8, 9. & 10, with the obvious (1) (7) in the batch, what a HOOT you are FredP!

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    OMG. That's one 7 in six rolls dumbbell. Same as fair dice. Where are the extra 7s?
     
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    Post #76 Eagleeye2: And eagleeye2's Generalized Proof that any unbalance in CASINO DICE Produces an increase in 7's over that of FULLY BALANCED DICE, has been proven valid!
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    OK. If I accept this without argument. Can you also 'predict' what results one or more Biased Dice outcomes would be produced... BEFORE they occur, not AFTER.

    IF you can predict future Outcomes with this information, you have then passed on information that is useful.

    THE important aspect of DI is to be able to make wagers on the prospect of future outcomes, not previous outcomes that are no longer statistically important.

    This is where I see the 'Proofs', but what do they mean in future outcomes? Once this can be done, I am 99% on your side.

    I am going to propose that the Bias is in the manufacturing and processing the CUBE, without Pips. When pips are drilled, filled and polished... they have nothing to do with BIAS to produce predictable outcomes.

    The predicting of Outcomes is within the Theory of Dice Setting, not Die Bias. Die Bias can vary from one or more faces and not just one single face. If dice from the same group of dice differ in Bias... then it is the CUBE, not the pips.

    If you can prove that DIE BIAS is indisputable, then the Theory of Dice Setting is no longer 100% reliable, as now there are a percentage of dice that do not statistically produce results in Dice Setting. You cannot have both and be able to predict future outcomes. Or... can you?

    You cannot have one suspect and then make ALL suspect to have identical characteristics... as if anything is true, ALL dice are then Biased and not to a particular PIP, but one or more surfaces.
     
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