What do you play for?

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1. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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My answer- I play for the money.I do not play for the lowest house edge.
Let me explain and perhaps shed some light.Say we are betting the don't and have a DP bet of \$25 which goes to the 4.Great number and you are in a great position.If you win your Rate of Return is 100%.Need I repeat it- especially for those " Got to get the lowest HA bet established" society.So these marvals decide to lay\$50 to make \$25 extra. Yes your HA goes down a tiny bit but you are risking \$75 to make \$50.Your rate of return is not my \$100 % but considerately less plus your bankroll is at much more risk.Taking odds to get a minute degree of a lessor HA is madness!

Perhaps we now see how Irish' s Dark Sider' s Ball imploded lol.Yes let's listen to these math purists drive your car off a cliff.

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2. eDiceGuy, May 20, 2018

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So do I. I could also care less about HA.

The only problem I see with this is that you have to risk \$25 per roll. Sure if the first roll on the comeout is a 4 then yes, great position. But, what if you get the 4 only after there are 4 pass line wins. You are down a \$100.

So my play is why risk a DP bet? I can choose to LAY the 4, or 10 or all the numbers on the comeout. I win on 7, push on 2,3,11 or 12 and only lose a single bet when a point is established. I can then choose to continue to bet with the 7 by leaving the LAY bets up or switch to my point play strategy.

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3. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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Agree 100% with you.I play the same way.I was just making a point on how superior ROR is over lowest advantaged betting. There are a lot of " bow to the math God's" around so wanted to drive a point .Play in the real world!

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4. eDiceGuy, May 20, 2018

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Dave.
Good to hear. Sometimes I think I am the only crazy one out here.

I am heading to my favorite casino for some Interblock craps later today. I want to try out the Iron Cross example somebody posted earlier. The casino is giving me \$20 in free play and I can use it on the bubble.

Real play over simulation,

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5. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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6. twodicebilly, May 20, 2018

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I have played for over 40 years and i first took dice classes i thought it would be
great to beat the casino anytime you wanted.

BUT ..after finding that to be a dream.... i just wanted to find a way to play the game
and have fun and not spend any or much of the money i had sat aside for my
retirement...and when you have 5 grandkids you understand how much your retirement
can cost.

tdb

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7. eDiceGuy, May 20, 2018

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I too am retired and have a limited budget. One of the reasons I play the bubble. \$1 LAY bets.

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8. twodicebilly, May 20, 2018

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The important thing is you play with in what ever limits you set and enjoy
the game.

I know one thing for damn sure, craps is much less costly than fishing or grandkids

tdb

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9. von duck, May 20, 2018

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You sort of forgot to mention that they are risking \$75 to win fifty, on a bet that is now 2/1 in their favor. In the long run, the odds bet makes no difference money wise, but in the short run, the odds bet creates greater deviation, which is how you win. Also though, deviation is generally, how we lose, in a given session. Take your pick.

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10. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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Correct but why subject yourself to potential big losses.Play with the greater return on investment strategy.

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11. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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Same on the do side.Come bet has a superior low house advantage put a less than stellar ROR.Place the 4 for \$50 and you make \$98.A \$25 come bet taking \$25 odds pays you \$75.Need I say more?
Timr for you heroes to play in the real world.

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12. tabletop123, May 20, 2018

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I am also retired, & would absolutely LOVE to play \$3-\$5 tables! Only problem is that in these Indian Joints, they squeeze you into only two tables with \$15 minimums!

I need to start traveling to find the cheaper games wherein a losing session/s doesn't tax you so much!

Guys always tease/ridicule TDVegas on his \$1 bubble play!

WISH I COULD PLAY THAT CHEAP!
But, but, but.......you're a Dice Influencer. As I said BEFORE.......point me to the CHEAP tables PLEASE! Lol

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13. basicstrategy777, May 20, 2018

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If you factor in the comeout and how often that bet is resolved, you are not risking that much more laying odds.....plus by laying odds you , mathematically, will win more.....

It's a tough call if you're playing short.

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14. eDiceGuy, May 20, 2018

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Come to AZ. Min bet on bubble is \$2. Twin Arrows (my casino) and Harrahs (STW) are \$1.

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15. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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Yes win more but also lose more.Your call.

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16. von duck, May 20, 2018

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Yes, to be fair you would need to say "more". The \$50 place/buy 4, will only win one bet in 3. The come bet should win more often, and on average, will be about \$4 ahead, when a point is established, and that point will usually have a better than one in three chance of hitting. Craps offers a multitude of ways to lose, or make money. I guess it all comes down to what entertains you. I guess that's what your really telling the dealer, when you place your bets, how you would like to have your "nuts clipped". So Dave, "how would you like your nuts clipped, today"?

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17. von duck, May 20, 2018

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How do you "win more" on a bet that figures to break even?

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18. Dave G Ct, May 20, 2018

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When I lose it is never big

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I believe that Dave, and that's cool, because, "it is more difficult to lose small, than it is to win big". For the sake of argument, I'll define losing small, as \$100 or less, and winning big, as \$500 or more. The size of your losers, is really what it's all about, and every one of you knows what I'm talking about.

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