Welcome To The Craps forum... The Game is "Winnable" !!!

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  1. TDVegas, Mar 13, 2014

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    Stupak was a legend here in Vegas. I just don't believe there is any system that is going to overcome the math. The math doesn't lie and if it did the casino business would have figured it out long ago. The only thing they could be telling me is that they see an imperfection in the dice that no one else can see that gives a patterned or predicted result. Even then, new shooters are getting 5 dice to choose from. These guys aren't "winning" at craps, at 99% they are just taking free money. That's as close to guaranteed money as there is.

    The bottom line for me is that if you truly could win at a 99% rate, a person would not advertise it and possibly upset the apple cart of free money.
     
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  2. SevenOut, Mar 13, 2014

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    TDV... you are not 99% correct, BUT 100%. More Craps money is made from Books and 99% System sales, than actually playing Craps.

    Stupak made his money playing Poker... which is a game of skill and some luck. I still want to ride the roller coaster at the Stratosphere... if the damn wind ever stops. Maybe even the other ride, whatever it is called.

    If you or I had a System that won 60% of the time... we would be silent. The majority of Craps Players would be content to win 50% of the time.
     
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  3. six shooter, Mar 13, 2014

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    TDV, SPR RIC, SO, SC and Griz. The Strategy is not for everyone and you guys fit the bill. Even though Lou and I don't rate a conspiracy you have allegedly uncovered one and we will leave it at that. For those who believe anything is possible, I encourage you to come out and look for yourselves and we only hope you report on what you saw. In the next three weeks we will be joining Heavy after his dice seminar for a live session, another trip to Tunica with 10 -15 people meeting up with us and joining over 20 people in AC to observe Lou at the tables. I only hope they will report exactly what they see at the tables, they might not understand the moves, just report if it was a win or loss. For those who say it is a martingale, if you read any of Lou's informational post, one rules states "never press a losing bet".

    To sum things up, we will have over 50 people going to observe Lou bet "The Strategy" in the next few weeks. A few have taken the class and would like to join us, the rest will just observe Lou and make their own decision if they want to go any further. If they do great, we know we can help them, if not, I wish them best of luck and hoped they picked something up that can help their game. No matter what we say won't make difference to any of the nay sayers, so we have chosen not to respond to these negative people until after the 7th of April. Others we welcome your comments and questions.
     
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  4. Southern-Comfort, Mar 13, 2014

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    Wow, I'm honored to be thrown into the group with my two arch-rivals! :) Seriously, anybody who doesn't get more and more skeptical as you just say the same old brag over and over but never seem to be willing to provide anything for anybody to see any sunstance in... well, you just build your own reputation. You keep bringing up Heaby's name as if he's a big supporter, yet I never see any post from him saying how great he feels your system is. I wonder, did he have to sign a paper saying he would not speak about it or something?
    Heavy, its time for you to weigh in for these guys.
     
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  5. The Midnight Skulker, Mar 13, 2014

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    That thought did occur to me, but if that was indeed all there was to it I think I would have spotted it. As for my killfile, truth to tell I cannot remember you ever being a serious candidate for it; beating you to a pulp over your number due ideas was/is simply too much fun. :D Our conversation over Russian Roulette remains my favorite of all time.
     
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  6. superrick, Mar 13, 2014

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  7. basicstrategy777, Mar 13, 2014

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    Love ya bro....and respect your knowledge of the game.

    777
     
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  8. 514natural, Mar 13, 2014

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    Again,..What is your buy-in?
    100-300$
    What is your biggest loss?
    100-300$
    What is your standard bet size,
    If shooting 34$(PL 6-8 until one hit, if Not 24$ on 6/8
    and do you have to increase it if your losing?
    Do I have to? No!! Do I? No!!

    ANYTHING that is surplus of what I came in with is a win.1$ 100$ 1000$

    Not very hard to answer at all.

    Best of luck to all
    Natural
     
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  9. superrick, Mar 13, 2014

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    Now let me get this right so I don't get anything wrong, am I dealing with three of you, if so the same questions go out to all three of you, we just want to get a general consensus of what really happens when you guys are playing your, what every you what to call it!

    So far, we know that you think $1 is a win and everybody should pay $1500.00 so they can win one dollar.

    Sounds like a fantastic, what ever you call it! At that win rate you only have to go to the tables about how many more times, to get your money back?
     
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  10. Liman

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    unfortunately, I will not be able to make it april 4,5th weekend.
    my loss, I really wanted to watch some of this stuff close up and personal.
    It came down to pissing off my wife and a few others, and its just not worth the crapstorm.
    I wish you guys nothing but great luck, hope you make a nice 5 figure score.
     
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  11. TDVegas, Mar 13, 2014

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    That's too bad. First hand report would have been nice. As I stated, I'm in Vegas and will make my way to any casino, any time, any day and any frequency to witness a 99% win rate.
     
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  12. Southern-Comfort, Mar 13, 2014

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    Well.. ya know.. they keep using Heavy's name as if he's in it with them. But he never seems to say a word. Kind of bugs me because if they were using MY name I'd either verify or raise hell.
    Whats the story Heavy? Is it worth it or not? Or are you not allowed to say?
     
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  13. 514natural, Mar 13, 2014

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    SuperRick

    no disrespect, with a 99% win rate
    99%!!!!!!
    99%!!!!!
    Who in their right mind wouldn't want to have affiliations with such "Strategies".

    This guy is saying that this is what he's on.
    do I believe him??no.
    Do I dismiss him...no,but only because I believe that anything is possible in this universe.

    With that said I have no idea who these people are .

    They're planning a trip to hit a casino or a couple (who knows) and "beat the craps"out of it over a few days and everyone is invited to watch....apparently.
    There's going to be about 15-20 of "Them" holding down A/C to prove to everyone this "strategy" is legit.(maybe proving DI too,who knows)

    At this point i would just wait for the date to come(the date being April 4th or wtv) and expect one of 2 things to happen;either they show up fully loaded, armed and ready and put on a miracle in Atlantic City or, They're going to come up with multiple excuses (maybe related to early release of information, or flight plans,just throwing it out there) as to why they're not going to be in AC those days and "postpone" their "showcase"(I guess we could call it that).

    This is what all the nay sayers been waiting for no? Take the trip to AC to watch them. I'll stay home and wait to hear the "Good news".

    Best of luck to all
    Natural
     
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    Thanks Liman: for the "well wishes".

    Sorry, you are unable to join us but, know; you have many of your fellow Forum members who will be there and will keep you informed concerning "AC" get-to-gether.

    Best Wishes for success on your Philadelphia Trip,

    Obie1
     
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    Just to add:

    514 natural: There are not "15-20 of us" (strategy players)... showing up at AC.. just 2 of us... we accepted the invite of "15-20" AC players who like yourself have their doubts... a few "believe", some believe "it's impossible" for such a win ratio and... most: "just don't know"... but are willing to give us a chance: to see the strategy in action with their own eyes.. (that is all we ever asked from anyone...).

    TDVegas: Our flights have been booked... we will be in AC April 5th & 6th...

    SR: 514natural is not part of our group as you implied.. "group of 3"... He speaks for himself as an individual and is not associated with the strategy. The Qs you asked have been asked previously by other Forum members. To see those answers, view posts in "Advance Craps" topic under thread titled: "Diceprofits.com"

    Best Wishes at the craps table to all,

    Obie1
     
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  16. TDVegas, Mar 14, 2014

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    AC is such a hell hole. Not sure if you guys are flying why not just go west to the mecca of gambling and resorts...Vegas. By April 5, temps will be in the 80-90's.
     
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    I had asked here before I knew about this planned trip.
    I asked about which casino was worth visiting down in philly.
    I know its only 1 hour away.
    The problem is I am not alone.IM committed to other people, after I asked them to stay an extra night.(and other people who live in Haverford? havertown? something, somewhere like that in a suberb of philly, they are not going to want to drive to ACon a chance I get to watch someone else roll dice Saturday night)
    I must get my wife home by sunday afternoon.
    trust me, I want to watch this, its not like I have anything else to do, Im retired and usually can go to AC any day, any time I want. Im under no restrictions from my wife or anyone else.
    If I make my wife drive to philly by herself, I could possibly get there sunday, but my wife does not like to drive out of her comfort zone, and that means she prefers no highways, staying close to home(a reason she only puts 1500 miles a year on her cars)
    I wont ask her to drive alone. Id never do that. Afterall, I need her medical benefits.
    Im a bit upset I cant watch this win cycle, I just cant get there that day.

    again, Im a firm believer in put your money where you mouth is, and this could have settled many things in my own firm beliefs about craps.
     
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  18. obie1

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    Liman:

    Perhaps you could join us on Friday April 4th... .

    We are joining up with the "AC Gang" on the 5th and 6th, but will be coming in on Friday the 4th... and

    playing an afternoon session and evening session at the "Taj.".

    Obie1.
     
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    My wife works half day Friday, then we head down to philly in afternoon NY and philly traffic.
    We have a group dinner at 7pm Friday evening that should take us to 9 or so, and we have a party(I don't know why people invite me since I hardly know these people) Saturday morning through afternoon.
    Saturday night, dinner with my group, and then that's when we were headed over to harrahs. Pretty much booked without much time left other than to S>S>S>
     
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    TDVegas: Why don't you come join us in Atlantic City. Even though Saturday and Sunday sessions are completely filed up (with group from AC, viewing is available...), however; Friday (April 4th) afternoon and evening have spaces available (on an open table) as well a early Saturday (5th) and Sunday (6th).
    You are most certainly welcomed... ,

    Obie1
     
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