Vegas Casino Takes ~ Note Chart Craps Hold Up Above 15%

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  1. eagleeye2, Nov 3, 2017

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    DeMaNGO,

    Naw, it's most likely the Casino's seeing new players, thanks to the DI's influence.

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    you nailed it, all this internet nonsense about di and all these self claimed craps gurus bragging about how they win zillions.... I cant prove anything, but Im sure others that actually play this game can verify that in the past few years, there are many, many more dice setters at tables than ever before.
    theres your increase in hold, all these false beliefs, this dice setting nonsense is keeping the live tables alive.
     
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    It would be pretty hard to determine an exact cause, for the increase in hold percentage, but NOT to difficult to determine what the effect would be. A lot of empty tables, and there has been much talk, and several pictures, of this very thing lately. "Shear a sheep, skin a sheep". :cool:.
     
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    You've touted the "crap check" bet, which has an 11.11% HA. If it is that you know the math, then there should be a good reason. So, what would it be? :cool:.
     
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    I agree with you , it's the increase in dice setting , You're Welcome
     
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    DeMango,

    That is a possibility!

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  9. von duck, Nov 4, 2017

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    DeMango knows that it's a possibility, and it shows, not so much in what he says, but in what he bets, which is the bottom line. He knows. :cool:. There IS the possibility, that he is not conscious, of what he knows.:confused: Interesting link, Man.
     
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    It proves you are not going to the casinos since the hold would be way down if you were.
     
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    Are you saying your teaching has created a bunch of players thinking they can beat the game and hasnt worked out for them and has increased the hold?
     
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    On page one of EE's link there is a very intriguing statement. The guy says that BJ, had the lowest variation, though it is believed that this game is the most vulnerable to skilled play. To me, these two facts seem to be consistent, I don't know why this guy thinks that it is not. On page two, the 25 year record, the fluctuations in baccarat, I find completely unexplainable. The gradual uptick in Craps and Bj, starting about, 09, might be explained by the onset, of exotic wagers, aka. "Sucker bets" that I think came into vogue about that time. I'm talking "Fire Bet" aka The DAVE, and "ATS" aka The DeMANGO. I'm not sure what that three card "poker" bet is called, at the BJ tables. Their definition of "HOLD" I thought was a little weak, I'm thinking hold being the percentage of "buy-in" retained by the casino. Interesting numbers. :cool:.
     
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    These numbers say SOMETHING assuming they are reasonably accurate. What they really may indicate, is an increased percentage of degenerate gambling. Very difficult to pinpoint. The graph on page two, is of yearly increments, for the entire state of NV. a VERY large sampling. Difficult to say, what true meaning of the numbers is. :cool:.
     
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    Oh no no not at all
    What I am saying is I have trained a bunch of guys , they don't THINK they can win , THEY WIN , They will tell you it is working very well for THEM
    Thanks for asking
     
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    My impact alone would not be large enough to show up in their numbers
    but does show up in mine quite well
    I will be back in the casinos in SHORTLY
     
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    Who cares what you "think" Screen Shot 2017-08-02 at 10.41.01 AM.png ?
     
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    Vegas in the last 5 years introduced a lot of Bonus Bets AKA 'Sucker bets' that have become very popular. The repeaters and All|Tall|Small are the most frequent and most played bonus bets. The firebet is still out there but not as popular now.

    It is my view that the bonus bets and the Under/Over 7 bet has simply created the uptick in the casino hold that we are seeing.

    Many people won't even play craps if it was not for the bonus bets, they seem to need a goal or a 'ending' of the game where they can say - "I beat it!"
     
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    The more people preach that "come bets suck" the higher the casino hold is going to go.
     
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    How many millennials have you seen come to the tables and throw most of their bank roll at the field and proposition bets? They win a few sometimes but I see them later walking away with only a “free” drink. I also think the fire, all-tall are hitting these stats in a negative fashion. These two have to have an influence although it could be DI! :)
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    Thank You TD-Clone, but you're wrong, it has nothing at all to do with what anybody says about the come bet. The trend is also up on the BJ tables. About 25 years ago I was talking to a dealer, and ask him, what the hold on a craps table was, and he said about 15 %, and this information pretty much agrees with that. Hold is not a reflection of which bets a player makes as it is, what part of his buy in, he is willing to lose. The trend may be a reflection of the increase in Latin players. :cool:.
     
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