Varience and hot roll betting

Discussion in 'Advanced Craps' started by Tonemonster, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. HornHiYo, Sep 6, 2016

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    Me either. I'm no expert on your play or any adjustments you make. But you do claim a book of 40k rolls and I don't need to know your play to have an opinion on the value a large number of rolls and what it may take to affect the SRR average from that many rolls.
    Now if you did PARR or Axis Power along with GTC it may be old news to you.
    Just saying.,
     
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  2. random_roller, Sep 6, 2016

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    I consider Harrah's Joliet & Hollywood Casino Joliet to be Chicagoland casinos -- in part because there are no casinos within the City of Chicago boundaries. Some might disagree with my characterization, but Chicagoland encompasses the counties that include Joliet, even though the 2 casinos are almost 50 miles away from downtown Chicago.

    Ho Chunk Wisconsin Dells will continue to be Ho Chunk Baraboo from my perspective but I can certainly understand why the tribe decided to make the name change.
     
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  3. HornHiYo, Sep 7, 2016

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    I understand using Chicagoland. It is a large area with lots of casinos and is commonly used by many when referring to that region.

    Rare is referring to the either the Dells or Baraboo as Madison because they are not in "Madison-land".
    It is a bit misleading / confusing, but whatever floats TDB's boat.
     
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  4. twodicebilly, Sep 7, 2016

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  5. Onautopilot, Sep 7, 2016

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    I play in casinos across the land, some are 2,000 miles apart. When I pull into a campground, I hit the google ap on my phone and type in "casinos"..... gives me the nearest ones, and mileage and directions.

    But after three round trips in the RV, and numerous more driving solo, I pretty well know where everyone between here and the coast are located.

    Not sure what all the fuss is about......I play in the U.S of .A. area. :)
     
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  6. Onautopilot, Sep 8, 2016

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    I had a Dr. appointment yesterday, and afterwards, I dropped by the casino, as it was just a couple miles away.

    The last few trips have been very lucrative.......not this one!

    You ever have a day where you lose almost every bet you make?

    The only saving grace, I didn't take much money with me.
     
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  7. Twelve4s, Sep 8, 2016

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    Just had one of those days too. But I saved some ammo for the next skirmish.
     
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  8. random_roller, Sep 8, 2016

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    But in the end, were the losses at the casino were still cheaper than the bill from the doctor? :D
     
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  9. Onautopilot, Sep 8, 2016

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    Fortunately, I have full paid medical, a benefit of 22 years service, one of the many benefits I enjoy......life's been good to me, and still is. Except for an hour yesterday! :)
     
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  10. random_roller, Sep 8, 2016

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    All kidding aside, you and every veteran who has served our country -- and those who continue to honorably serve in that capacity -- deserve paid medical and other benefits, as well as the nation's respect and gratitude for your contributions and sacrifices. Glad to hear life's been good to you.

    Now go get your money back from that casino!
     
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    Here here!
     
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  12. Onautopilot, Sep 8, 2016

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    I appreciate the kudos for all our service members and veterans! Not so much for myself, but for those that were far less fortunate than I.
     
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  13. Onautopilot, Oct 10, 2016

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    Just read an old post from Alan Shank (goatcabin), well worth repeating. A shame he is not posting here anymore!

    passthedice:

    You say you have read books about craps. Have you ever read one called "The Dice Doctor"? It's by Sam Grafstein (the late), and it's available here and there, although out of print. Many people think it's the best book about craps ever written. You probably won't, as he advocates "moderate progressive" betting, although he has some conservative strategies, too. You sound like a proponent of John Patrick's methods. I read a couple of Patrick's books several years ago, but I threw them out. It wasn't his methods that I didn't like, but his attitude and his insulting writing style. A couple of other guys and I had some pretty hot arguments with him on rec.gambling.craps.

    Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with Grafstein, either; I don't agree with anyone who says, "play my way", because there is no method of play suitable for everyone. The important thing, in my view, is to understand the ramifications of things like: house edge for different bets, variance for different bets, effect of changing the bet amount (regression, progression on win, progression on loss), etc., etc., and coming up with a method that suits one's goal for a session, whether it's 1) play for a certain amount of time without busting (i.e. have fun), limiting losses, winning a certain amount of money, winning a lot of money, etc.

    Cheers,
    Alan Shank
     
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  14. basicstrategy777, Oct 10, 2016

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    He was an arrogent prick that thought math was the answer to everything.

    He could add and subtract well and play the fiddle but his love of the math god at the exclusion of all else, made him an incomplete player, as far as I'm concerned.

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  15. Onautopilot, Oct 10, 2016

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    That's because he always took you to task over your "due" theory and other Voodoo crap!
     
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  16. basicstrategy777, Oct 10, 2016

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    It's not what you say.....but how you say it.

    I've always said Due Theory is not supported by the current math and indefensible per the math. I'm just going with what is logical and what I've witnessed over the years. Selective memory my ass.

    He was an arrogent prick.

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  17. Onautopilot, Oct 10, 2016

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    Reminds me of someone else on here!
     
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  18. basicstrategy777, Oct 10, 2016

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    A prick is a prick.

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  19. Grizzoola, Oct 13, 2016

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    Not sure, 777, that you've not already provided this, but out of, say, the last 5 sessions you've played, how many hands, have you won (or lost less) because you knew that a trend was either starting or ending, positively for you or negatively?
     
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  20. basicstrategy777, Oct 13, 2016

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    That's a fair question Grizz.......probably 3 or 4.

    I played with Liman a while back at Foxwoods.....and although I lost money....my qualification rule saved me a ton.

    If I remember, one time, Liman was placing 6 and 8, and the shooter did not roll a 6/8 in 15 tosses and he came down.....he saved alot of money by doing that. Liman is not a nickle dime player is why I said that.

    Conversely, toward the end of my play with him.....we played at one table and I did not make a bet due to shooter not qualifying....I lost nothing, he lost a fair amount betting 6/8 and quick 7 outs. We switched tables due to bad luck and the exact same thing happened at the second table. It was spooky that we encounter such a bad streak of luck. I was very, very fortunate not to be betting.

    Trends, good and bad due happen....you have played long enough to have seen this. Of course you don't know things in advance but you need a plan and triggers and act on them ; they don't always pan out, but at least you had the strenght of your convictions. It's a tough game.

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