Under what ROCK is LID Hiding?

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  1. eagleeye2, Sep 24, 2018

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    Why do Opposite Sides of Casino Dice Add to "SEVEN"

    For Simplicity, I will start with the BASICS:

    ODDS & Casino Pay-Outs (which include the Casino's Take or House Advantage, HA) are Statistically Calculated based upon the assumption that each side of both Dice in Play, has an EQUAL CHANCE of landing FACE UP, when thrown on a Craps Table.

    We then have what are called Fair, Balanced, Perfect, or Straight Dice. These Dice are the ones that one wants to play with, in most instances.

    In the game of Craps, two of these dice are thrown down a Craps Table & the SUM of the #'s appearing on the UP SIDE of each Die, are added together.

    Casino Dice have SIX (6) sides, or Faces, each containing one of the #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6. Which when added together give us the #'s Two (2) to Twelve (12).

    I will dispense with the myriad of numbers & events which one can bet on in Craps, & only state here, that once a POINT has been established, throwing any SEVEN (7) results in all but don't bets being taken down thereby & surrendered to the casino.

    Thus the CORRECT ANSWER ~ Casino's Demand that Opposite SIDES of DICE ADD to (7), as with that configuration, whenever any weight Unbalance Occurs, in a Weight Biased DIE, when combined with a FAIR DIE, automatically INCREASES the Frequency of SEVENS that are thrown with those DICE!

    Now LID/Barney cut the BS!

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  2. KokomoJoe4, Sep 25, 2018

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    EE,

    At present, I am prepared to admit only that opposite sides of a die add to seven, and that each face, call them integer x, must satisfy 0 < x < 6
     
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  3. eagleeye2, Sep 25, 2018

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    So KoKo,

    Do you agree or disagree with the following?

    For Simplicity, I will start with the BASICS:

    ODDS & Casino Pay-Outs (which include the Casino's Take or House Advantage, HA) are Statistically Calculated based upon the assumption that each side of both Dice in Play, has an EQUAL CHANCE of landing FACE UP, when thrown on a Craps Table.

    We then have what are called Fair, Balanced, Perfect, or Straight Dice. These Dice are the ones that one wants to play with, in most instances.

    In the game of Craps, two of these dice are thrown down a Craps Table & the SUM of the #'s appearing on the UP SIDE of each Die, are added together.

    Casino Dice have SIX (6) sides, or Faces, each containing one of the #'s 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6. Which when added together give us the #'s Two (2) to Twelve (12).

    I will dispense with the myriad of numbers & events which one can bet on in Craps, & only state here, that once a POINT has been established, throwing any SEVEN (7) results in all but don't bets being taken down thereby & surrendered to the casino.

    Thus the CORRECT ANSWER ~ Casino's Demand that Opposite SIDES of DICE ADD to (7), as with that configuration, whenever any weight Unbalance Occurs, in a Weight Biased DIE, when combined with a FAIR DIE, automatically INCREASES the Frequency of SEVENS that are thrown with those DICE!
     
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  4. KokomoJoe4, Sep 25, 2018

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    disagree with the three red points:

    1. I prefer playing w/ biased dice, whose bias I am familiar with and can take advantage of. Call this cheating, I don't care. I call it winning.

    2. Lay bets are wager that win on the seven, as do hopped sevens and any seven.

    3. Unbalance favors all dice outcomes that contain the now more frequently than 1/6 of the time showing face. With apologies to LID, this is not rocket science.
     
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  5. eagleeye2, Sep 25, 2018

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    Koko,

    Don't forget that CRAPS requires TWO Dice to be thrown & the SUM of the #'s UP, on both Dice, is the resultant # for CRAPS.

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  6. KokomoJoe4, Sep 25, 2018

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    Assuming that both dice are biased in favor of showing face [2], what wager is made by:

    A. Eagle eye
    B. Max and LID
    C. Little Joe from Kokomo

    Since they are favored when using biased dice, I'm betting seven.
     
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  7. eagleeye2, Sep 25, 2018

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  8. eagleeye2, Sep 25, 2018

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    KoKo,

    Do Not Forget, that IMHO, Casino's typically MIX THREE Biased Dice With TWO Straight Dice, which confuses many!

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  9. KokomoJoe4, Sep 25, 2018

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    EE,

    Slow day at work today so I'm right back at you.

    The game of craps is designed to have the house the favorite, a very nice position in the endeavor that is gambling.

    This does not mean that the house will win all of the time, but it does mean they will win most of the time.

    For the smart player (of which there appear to be very few), the game is close to an even proposition. However, when the player begins repeatedly placing many high house edge wagers, the house's win expectation goes WAY UP.

    Because the house can expect to win the fair game the majority of the time, explain WHY they would even want to introduce biased dice into the equation, especially where a smart player will note the bias and bet in such a way so as to increase his chances for success.
     
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  10. eagleeye2, Sep 25, 2018

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    Koko,

    Most of what you say is fact, however, some CASINO's have Greedy Management that wishes to Pay Off Their DEBT Quicker (Yes, virtually all casino's currently carry significant Debt) this can be seen by the number of bankruptcies occurring with Casino's; despite their inherent advantages in all of the games they offer.

    More Importantly, Casino's are Constantly ""looking for that edge,"" that will increase their TAKE!

    Everyone must comprehend one of the BASIC Facts of Current Casino CRAPS Practices, i.e. the frequent use of Biased Dice, to enhance Casino TAKE @ CRAPS.

    Recall that only Ohio & Colorado have Specific Laws that say "Casino Dice must be Balanced" & the one Lawsuit, filed in Ohio, claiming Biased Dice In Play, ended with a $100 fine to the Casino, with thousand's spent on attorney fees. Yes, States that have Casino's understand the very significant $$$ flow from Casino's

    FACT IS:
    Any Person that would not monitor a Craps Table, to establish Casino Use of Straight, or Biased Dice; in TODAY's Casino Environment, has little concern for their hard earned $$$ & happens to be a TOTAL AMATEUR Craps Player, period!

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  11. eagleeye2, Sep 30, 2018

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    So LID,

    Translating to German is the latest twist in the effort to KILL this thread?

    Administrators need to step up!

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  12. eagleeye2, Sep 30, 2018

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    So LID,

    Translating to German is the latest twist in the effort to KILL this thread?

    Administrators need to step up!
     
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  13. lone irish digit, Sep 30, 2018

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    Das ist Herr Jacob,

    Sie haben einen sehr gültigen Punkt, aber zuerst müssen wir alle Eagle Scheiße aufräumen, die viele der wertvollen begrenzten Ressourcen auf dieser Form der Craps verwendet
     
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  14. eagleeye2, Oct 1, 2018

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    So LID,

    Translating to German is the latest twist in the effort to KILL this thread?

    Administrators need to step up!

    eagleey2
     
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