ugly night a the tables

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  1. scott22, Feb 5, 2012

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    how can i stand a a full table and all of us watch the dice go around two full times and no one make more than one point? ugly!!!!
     
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  2. basicstrategy777, Feb 5, 2012

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    qualify the shooter


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  3. DeMango, Feb 5, 2012

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    Was it illegal to play the don't pass?
     
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  4. Greatest 7 Shooter in the World, Feb 5, 2012

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    Yeah Scott not sure if anyone told you this but as the shooter vs the house, the shooter is a underdog to make his point.


    And for a table full of people to make around 1 point each is really a expected night for the most part. It's nice to be at the table when someone gets hot but do not expect average chicken feeders to kick the shit out of the house shooter after shooter all night long.
     
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  5. scott22, Feb 5, 2012

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    yeah, i think that was anger talking last night. i have had a nice run as of late and being new to the game there is still some scenarios i haven't seen yet and last night was one of them. i idd play some dont's and i didnt get killed financially. i just think is was vibe, table super packed everyone a bit edgy never could get anything going kind of thing. i should have walked out to battle another day. just mad at myself for the way the night went down.
     
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  6. Southern-Comfort, Feb 5, 2012

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    I see it everytime I go to the Horseshoe in Bossier. The table they keep open 24/7... I've never seen people having a good time at. The other tables (when opened) seem to spawn cheers and wins, but not that one.
     
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  7. falcon, Feb 13, 2012

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    Hold on here, what ever happened to the axiom shared by most of you really good, low HA bet players that the PL/FO and Come/O provide the greatest opportunities to win more and lose less????? Wow a great quote from a really knowledgeable player --
    "...a table full of people to make around 1 point each is really a EXPECTED (emphasis) night for the most part."

    You all need to remember that when participating in those really good, low HA wagers especially the newbies to the game.

    falcon/tuttigym/DB+W
     
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    House advantage calculation is based on the long run. Short run variation can be very positive or very negative.

    But remember the famous words of the economist John Maynard Keynes...

    "In the long run, we are all dead"
     
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  9. falcon, Feb 13, 2012

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    JHPA: Unfortunately, no one has been able to define the "long run" or "long term" as it relates to playing craps.

    G7's quote was so definitive and exacting as to be "gospel." It should act as a warning that might have players re-think the craps "establishment's" wagering position regarding the so-called really good, low HA bets. After all, those folks are relying and embracing computer simulations using the national debt and gross domestic product as their bankroll with a gazillion tosses to justify their playing strategies. We humans play in the short term with a very finite bankroll --- always.

    Mr. Keynes quote is beyond accurate.

    falcon/tuttigym/DB+W
     
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  10. Southern-Comfort, Feb 13, 2012

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    You see, defining a long run in craps is sort of like defining a long drive in your car. Some may think across town is a long drive, others think its shiort. Its whatever you personally see it as. ok?

    And as for the quote, it hasn't been proven yet.
     
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  11. Greatest 7 Shooter in the World, Feb 15, 2012

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    Falcon,
    Now that i re-read what i posted let me clear it up a little. I should have worded it different. I meant to say that it is not uncommon for a table full of shooters to not make more than one point in a row. So betting the pass line with the shooter would just result in a loosing night because if you were to bet with them and they hit there point and you win X amount. then you turn right around and re-bet X amount on the same shooter to make the second point which did not happen even once as the poster had said. Best scenerio is it was a push for the house and the better wins nothing on the plus side but takes all the losses in the neg when the shooters fail to make the first point. So anyone betting the PL with the shooters had a loosing night which happens 98% of the time with this betting strat.

    Now i should have elaborated on my statement of "each shooter at the table making one point". I meant the average gambler buys in for 100-200 in red and white. When I said that each shooter at the table makes 1 point I meant that they make 1 point on average the entire session they shoot until the house gets there money which at the buy in listed above would be about 4 times around the table based of a 10-15 dollar table. I feel that chicken feeders just get shit lucky 1 out of 4-5 times. But then as i was saying they have no chance on beating the house because after the win they pump the +1 unit right back to the house on the same bet. Thats why I refuse to play craps this way.
     
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  12. falcon, Feb 19, 2012

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    G7: That is a great post! You are re-enforcing what has been previously posted by me (although I am sure it was unintentional). The one thing you did not comment on was the fact that those modest players will play the FO at 1X or 2X which shorts their payouts of similar $$$ wagers on the Place bets.

    Another note you left out was the specific fact that the only way you and other PL/FO players win is with a long or "hot" shooter. Otherwise losing happens most of the time, which is what your post basically says. Thanks.

    falcon
     
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  13. slorch, Feb 19, 2012

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    I make one don't pass wager at table minimum and then bet odds according to the flow of the game.

    I would have banked in that situation.

    Most people call my game a grind. I like cashing out checks though...
     
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  14. falcon, Feb 19, 2012

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    slorch: I had one guy at the table next to me tell me that my play "was like watching paint dry." However, he was impressed with my consistency in winning and my chip stack growth.

    Does your casino give you "checks"? Mine gives me chips to cash in at the cashier. Go Figure.

    falcon
     
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  15. slorch, Feb 19, 2012

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    checks is the more traditional nomenclature. I like it.

    checks=chips
     
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  16. DeMango, Feb 20, 2012

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    Cheques!

    Great game! Everybody wins!
     
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  17. basicstrategy777, Feb 20, 2012

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    in a casino craps is not played with chips...it is played with cheques.

    chips are not cheques....

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  18. slorch, Feb 20, 2012

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    I didn't realize we were in Monte Carlo or limited to the roulette wheel...

    You knew what the heck I meant.
     
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  19. Southern-Comfort, Feb 20, 2012

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    You say tomato and I say tomato, let's call the whole thing off.
     
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  20. basicstrategy777, Feb 20, 2012

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    I understand where you are coming from SC.

    Most things have a technically correct, textbook answer.

    My response was not rude, or derogatory in any way. It just stated a fact.

    Some people can live perfectly well with different shades of gray....."facts, smacks, you know perfectly well what I mean, no real difference....so what."

    So the question is.......on this board, should you let an inaccuracy slide for fear of upsetting someones sensabilities or should you correct the inaccurracy with facts.

    We all have opinions on the game, but facts are something else.

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