If anyone ever says it is easy to win at craps - they are lying! Craps is a very unique game, and there is no other game like it in the casino. It is a game where YOU the player control the degree of Risk and volatility you want to get yourself in to. The higher risk comes high rewards! I have personally seen players come to the tables with $300 and walk away with over $33K! Only with Craps can this happen. When that does happen, it is the talk of the town for a few weeks, as players, floormen, dealers all tell about the player they know who hit it big at so and such casino. The downside of this is that the same players always loses it back to the casinos, and as the casinos see it, the Player is only "holding their money". Players are always looking for 'The Edge' something to give them a leg up over the casinos to chop down the house edge, or raise the Positive EV (Expected Value). This then beings in SYSTEM play and of course Dice Control/Influence. There is no SYSTEM that can beat the build in house edge in Craps. Most systems present a structured play to the player that if the player follows correctly, and has the bankroll to actually implement it, can over time bring them to win more than they lose. But the two critical elements of any system is: Player has to have the correct bankroll to play the system, Player has to actually follow the system correctly It is my observation that most players who learn or buy systems do neither. I think the Gambling Professor has it right in his methods, but requires a minimum of a $18K bankroll, and that is outside of the players day to day living expenses! Even if they have the money, most won't follow his methods anyway. The method I use is somewhat based on his ideas, the Dice Doctor ideas, and of Mr C's book, Craps as a Business. Oh, I am not claiming I am living off of gambling; No, I am not. Nobody is, not Howard, Not Heavy, NOBODY. Heavy, the so self-acclaimed Dice Influence Guru, in this thread explains the truths about Dice Influence... Players must have a home Craps table to Practice Upon Players must bet correctly 20% of players actually have any ability at all to control the dice (even if the first two requirements are meet) My beef with Heavy and Howard always has been that they omit these TRUTH to new signups to their seminars who attend with the belief that they are gong to learn how to have Advantage Play with Craps as per what Heavy has said in his website and adverts. Heavy further elaborates in this thread as to why DI does not work, and defending Howard while excoriating yours truly. I honestly think that Heavy has really ever seen Howard shoot the dice, where i have watched Howard play many times in many different casinos, and stand by what I say about how he shoots the dice (short throws). Casino Towns bring out the worst in people! The emotional highs and lows that gambling brings is simply to much for most people, where they go on tilt emotionally way to easy. Emotionally challenged people are irrational and make irrational and illogical choices. Does not matter if they are winning or losing, for once the emotions kick in, they are lost to them and make poor choices that are greatly in favor of the casinos. Players lie. Lets just get that out as a fact. People lose but they will tell you that they are doing OK, or that they are winning. I have seen players 'lose out' here in Vegas only to deny it, and hawk everything they own to these shit pawn shops, max out credit cards on cash advances, and even engage in pimping or prostitution to just get the money in hopes of 'winning back some of what they lost' I have meet people coming to this city to do an 'Intervention' for a relative who has dug themselves a hole so deep, that they cannot get out of it. Here is how bad it gets... No money in savings or checking Markers all over town unpaid Maxed out credit cards No possessions of value cause they hawked it all to the pawn shops No car, cause its in repo Eviction notices Utilities cut off No phone, cause they can't pay the bill No job. Cause they choose to go gambling and not to work or believed that gambling was their job! People who fall victim to Las Vegas become bitter, and everything they see is jaded by the losses they inured. They deny that gambling was their down fall, and they still believe that they have some system or 'skill' that will WIN, and only need the chance and bankroll to win it all back. Lose outs, that is someone who goes bust here in Vegas often following some delusional belief about a system or skill that involves high volatility betting and play. Ego with gambler is often the agent of the downfall. Ego denies the losses, whispers lies in ones ear that they can win, and raises anger towards those who point out any realities about their losing. LOST WAGES, aka Las Vegas is where dreamers come. So many come here with some scheme or idea on HOW TO BEAT THE CASINO and they play it out. Most lose, some win BUT they all eventually go home. Most people realize afters few trips to Las Vegas that their dreams and schemes to Beat Vegas is just that - fantasy dreams - and come to just understand that Las Vegas is just a playground for adult fun, and it's not going to be a place where they come to make money. Locals either play very conservatively or simply don't play at all. My own informal polling of locals shows me that 70% of the locals don't gamble at all, for they see no hopes of winning or ever recovering losses. Of the 30% that regularly gamble its more of a social thing - Bingo or keno lounges. There are whole rows of 4-card keno machines that have quite the social scene going on. Most locals keep their Gamble conservative and play within a budget. All locals know of some lose out who lost it all and had to have a relative 'rescue them' from Las Vegas, and that becomes a warning to the locals who play as to what happens when you let gambling run a muck! There are no locals who live 100% off of the casinos, TDVegas got that one right. Most locals who play regularly have Social Security, pensions, 401K investments, other cash investments that more or less pay the daily bills they have to pay, leaving a surplus for them to go play with weekly. Guys like Richard Munchkin, Bob Dancer who are local pros here in Vegas, all have secondary income from other sources and they will tell anyone who ask that today you need that to survive in Las Vegas as a gambler for Vegas is not like it was 15 to 20 years ago when gamblers could thrive here. Loses bring anger, anger brings hate, hate brings delusions! Its a cycle I have seen to much in this town, even to the point of making enemies out of nothing! Those who lose are convinced that the Casino did something, perhaps so, but the player still made the choice to play a losing game. Casinos make changes all the time, often against the players favor. 6/5 blackjack, tipple zero roulette, changes to the Video Poker software loads, unbalanced craps dice, higher volatility slots (and often to flashy and noisy), reduced comps and freebies, resort fees, parking fees, reduced services overall, cover charges for pools and clubs, and no host can give you anything anymore! So losing is easier in than ever in Las Vegas, your bankroll is hit harder to just pay for the things you need - food, rooms, drinks, parking.... Frustration sets in, anger builds up, resentment and paranoid thinking festers. This is all that is needed for delusions to brew, and where enemies are created out of thin air, accusations of this and that are flying all over the place, and thick emotional DRAMA is all that is left from the mess that is known as Las Vegas.