I am spinning this thread off The Math For Beating Gambling Is Here thread because I have jumped on Liman's bandwagon and stopped posting there. An interesting point. I suggest most players put the cart before the horse. They start with a betting strategy and look for a trent that can be taken be exploited by that strategy. Take the Can't Lose strategy, where the player makes a Don't bet, then places the point that it establishes, balancing the amounts to guarantee a profit whether the point makes or misses. Such a player will look for a trend without comeout 7s and 11s. Suppose instead a player approaches a table with a "bag of tricks", tries to spot any trend, then picks the appropriate trick to exploit it. (I get the impression that this is the approach The Strategy uses.) Obviously the perceived trend must continue for the trick to work, but could there not be more than one trend in progress? What if a Can't Lose player also notices that at least one 8 is rolled before the Line point is resolved? Clearly that trend could also be exploited (if it continues). So the $64,000 question becomes, Without a computer what trends should a player look for?