You can’t expect to win at bank craps. But you CAN play tough. This is simply giving the bank the lowest edge possible. In theory this means playing the dp/dc and laying maximum odds. In real play though it means laying the most amount with which you are comfortable. There is a rail in Michigan that FOR YEARS--possibly for a decade or longer--has and still does offer a FREE <sic> BUY on the 4 & 10. It’s true: $5 only (and sometimes as little as $3) on these numbers will get you $10 ($6) when they hit. The Tough Craps player will play ONLY the 4 & 10 on these tables. I will add here that there are, as far as I know, only two Tough Craps players in the world who play tough exclusively. And in reality only one PURE Tough Craps player: he will pass the dice to avoid the required line bet at this great lakes casino. He brooks no quarter, offers the house zero edge. The other, yours truly, cannot resist the additional action of a p/c/odds bet or 2 (occasionally 3). I shook the Other’s hand once and said to him, “you are the toughest craps player in the world”. A good craps player will have a goal and will try to devise a strategy to give herself the best chance to meet that goal. For many players a basic goal is to win dollars at every session. A common strategy is to limit exposure (often unwittingly: most place betters, for example, are innumerately off on the come out roll). The best strategy would be to play the dp/dc with maximum lay. With this strategy one would win at quite close to half of their sessions on average. Further 99.97% of craps players put much stock in winning PER SHOOTER, some loudly applauding a 7-out after a long run even though the house has just locked up tens, hundreds or even thousands of dollars of their money (the Tough Craps player [for whom this "roll" might indeed not even be over--see below] is sometimes [mildly & he hopes good-naturedly] annoyed by the cry out “nice roll”; there being ONLY ONE roll, only one important roll: the next one…and the last one here was not at all “nice“…those bastards at the casino make you bet BEFORE the roll…Please. Don’t make too much of this; I completely understand what is “meant“ by the cheering) On the other hand (but NOT in contrast to winning per session, which is anyway a mathematical & usually monetary meaningless concept unless one never plays again), for the Tough Craps player, the goal is to WIN HUGE. There is no win limit. This involves RELENTLESSLY pressing your luck. Thus is the Tough Craps player almost always losing per session and, alas, per shooter and <sigh> per life. The negative skew of the dp/dc bets are not efficient for this objective. Thus with rare exceptions on the lay side the Tough Craps player is on the next best thing: p/c with odds. Now henceforth and when the Tough Craps player talks about a “bet”, he is talking about the odds bet. It is ONLY the free odds bet that the Tough Craps player is concerned with. The line bets are simply vigorish and ignored for strategic purposes; that is to say on a natural come out they are dragged/restored always in the same dollar amount as before. Using $5, far and away the most common bet of the Tough Craps player, here is the TC bet progression: $5->$15or16->$15/16->.$25or26->$40->$50->$75or76->$100->$150->$200->$300->$400->$500->$750->$1000->$1500->$2000->$3000->$4000>$5000->$7500...etc…Larger amounts can be extrapolated: eg $10->$30->$30->$50->$75or80->$100 and so on as above. (the "tough craps fantasy" is to reach the table maximum, which in this case $2500 was accomplished only once, win it [it didn't] and be compelled to fly out or drive some distance to find a house that would book the TC players next bet!) There is no limit other than a house imposed one. As is in fact the case with ALL bets on the layout, every odds bet is completely independent from the others. P/odds and c/odds being exactly the same, a progressing come bet will simply move to the pass line on a seven out, seven being a win on this progressing come; the progression will continue. (confirmed place betters may have a poor understanding of the come bet and are generally oblivious to at best or un-leery of the fact that one out of three p/c bets are resolved on the first roll). Thus the strategy of the play is COMPLETELY shooter-neutral, shooter agnostic if you will…For the Tough Craps player the “hand” is not over until the last progressing bet has gone out and that can encompass several shooters. In addition to the bets the bankroll too is itself progressed as well as regressed when, as is most often the case, behind. The TC player is looking for the lowest minimum table he can find and no more than $5 (back in the day he was looking for a quarter craps--i mean a 25 CENTS table, but x-odds is a relevant factor also). Notwithstanding this minimum, the TC player, pressing his luck, will start out at $10 and whenever the win/loss amount is $zero or better (reminder: we are talking about the odds bet; the line bet, subject to vigorish, is ALWAYS <sic> the minimum amount required to get that bet). At this hefty $10 bet and a w/l amount of $0 to +$99 he will not exceed 3 numbers (1 p/odds, 2 c/odds). If the win amount attains +$100 to +$199, he will try for 4 numbers, $200-$299, 5 numbers. As for the regression, at -$1 to -$100 he will play the $5 on up to 5 numbers, four numbers at -$101 to -$400 and 3 to as few as one number at -$401 to -$500. The bankroll is $500. At +$300 to +$499 the TC player aggressively doubles to $20-$60-$60-$100...etc and comes out on up to 3 numbers; at +$500 to +$699, 4 numbers, five numbers at +$700 to +$899. Also at +$300 the TC player will begin to “drag”, the Tough Craps equivalent of putting money in your pocket or “quitting while you are ahead”. Of course the TC player doesn’t really quit, quit since with progressive betting one could never come out ahead if one just kept at it and never put any money in his pocket. Mathematically and in real dollars, though, it is all one Big Session and then you die. As you can surmise the bankroll is reckoned in $100 increments. After a hand-ending loss if the win amount falls below $300, even, for example, to $299, one hundred dollars is dragged. One hundred dollars is dragged for each one hundred dollars lost. This can be several hundred dollars as the bankroll progresses as you may see below. In this example, then, even though actually at +$299 with $100 in his pocket the TC player “pretends” the win amount is only $199 and plays accordingly, that is back to $10 and up to 4 numbers. Lose again to a win range of $0 to +$99 and another $100 is dragged. Note that this puts the utilized bankroll now to less than $500 so the bet is $5-$15or$16...etc...Thus the TC player retreats while at the same time locking up some wins (which in reality is just used for the next bankroll after he has lost this one!) At +$900 to +$1199 the TC gambler goes to an extremely aggressive $30-$100-$100-$150-$200...etc and goes out on up to 3 numbers; +$1200 to +$1499, four numbers; +$1500 to +$1799, five numbers. And so on: the bet is $50-$150-$150-$200 etc, 3 numbers at +$1800 to +$2299...etc…The TC player carries in his wallet a chart with a won amount that goes up to +$40,800 (the bet is $1000-$3000-$3000-$5000 etc). There is no win limit. Of course the chances of starting at our $5 or $10 and getting to a win of $40,800 are I would imagine not much different than winning a national lottery. But permit me some fun and use it to illustrate how wins are “dragged”. Ok so we are winning $40,800. Obviously we could “quit”, which might mean not really quit quitting but, for example, pocketing it all and starting over with a fresh $500 bankroll. But if we kept going the bet would be $1000-$3000-$3000-$5000 etc., five numbers. Now, say, at the end of the hand we lose $5000 -- very possible here -- and are now down to +$35,800. We would pocket $5000 and play as if we were really only $30,800 ahead. The bet is now $500-$1500-$1500-etc, 4 numbers. Lose $3000, pocket $3000...And so on. This strategy allows you to retreat while locking up still significant gains but especially keeps you in the big money should yet another monster or near-monster materialize. There is no win limit. So why would anyone play a strategy where one is “almost always losing?” Good question. The thrill of the occasional (nah. rare) monster win keeps the Tough Craps player going and ever optimistic. It is so damn much fun he almost cant stand it. He hopes to exceed his $13,800 record win session every time he bumps up to the rail. If anyone has read this far, why? If anyone understands any of this logorrhea and is further the slightest bit interested in more info, please reply…The TC player does have some really quite accurate and illustrative stats that go back to the 1970s... tom p .