TOO Much DRAMA !

Discussion in 'General Craps Discussion' started by $nakeEye$, Aug 22, 2015.

  1. betwthelines, Aug 29, 2015

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    um..no..you need only accept their actions or their policies...or...ah...lack thereof...those you must accept in order to play at their place...accept their word? hm...what's that?

    tom "home runs are sometimes boring" p
     
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    pressit, I have hooked up in AC with DI shooters, actually, 4-5 of them, one of them supposedly a very gifted DI shooter(female)
    There were no rolls I can recall. I stayed in the corner so I could make sure landing zones were clear for my friends.
    I bet 15 pass with full 5 times odds and 25 each 5 and 9 as I was told this was the goal of the shooters.
    I will at anytime shoot with any di shooter, afterall, I want what they want.
    I don't care how they shoot, or what they believe in, we all want to win.
    I will never attribute any winnings at a table to DI shooting, only because everything random can produce many good results.
    I will attribute winning to DI when, and only when, a DI shooter exhibits consistency, Not meaning 45 roll hands, but if I see enough numbers every time or almost every time they pick up the dice, above normal, numerous times, only then will I believe they possess any talent, and then according to how well they roll, will I think DI is even slightly possible by a select few individuals.

    As far as Im concerned, burden of proof falls on people who make the claims.
    And then one more time, 35 or so years at craps tables, why haven't I witnessed any dice manipulator having run after run after run?
    Why haven't I ever witnessed any casino giving any dice manipulator a hard time?
    As a matter of fact, Ive seen a lot of dice manipulators welcomed by casinos, as they are regular customers, and pit bosses know them by first name and have conversations with them while at table.
    Casinos need to make money, they wojuld never, ever allow anything that would skew the advantage they have. that for me, is pretty overwhelming evidence in itself, hey?
    Slide the dice at a table, guaranteed the dice are taken away from you after first warning if you do it again.
    Kick a slot machine, guaranteed you will be asked to leave if you do it more than once after being warned.
    Try to mark a card while p;laying blackjack, p[robably banned from that casino for life, possibly every casino after that.

    anything that rubs the casino the wrong way they stop immediately.
    Anything that they believe compromises their profits they stop immediately. More proof of what they think of DI.
     
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  3. KokomoJoe4, Aug 29, 2015

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    Looked into the Heavy site this past week, to read some small print mumbo-jumbo about sending them your e-mail and having a discussion with their moderator before being allowed to post there. I punted.

    A non-educated guess: The site probably e-mails members every other day/week advertising shooting lessons. I'm cynical by nature.
     
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  4. Dave G Ct, Aug 29, 2015

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    You get a monthly news letter that has articles and will announce future seminars. You do not get emails trying to sell you things.
     
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  5. KokomoJoe4, Aug 29, 2015

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    ty Dave, my bad then.
     
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  6. Dave G Ct, Aug 29, 2015

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    SR was banned. He caused constant trouble in attacking MP. Harley I believed never would have been invited.. Caused problems at an early seminar. Operator said he was banned. Of course I. really do not know or need to know these things. You can give your opinion about topics but you are there to learn not disrupt. How would you like an anti Gambling group to post here condeming Gambling?
     
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  7. KokomoJoe4, Aug 29, 2015

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    The two apparently have a difference of opinion on the game they both enjoy. There is nothing wrong with that. From what I hear, they both are said to be good shooters. If so, my guess is that their results are "better than the average Joe's" a bit more often than not. Nothing wrong with that either.

    I would guess that neither is losing any sleep over the matter
     
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  8. DeMango, Aug 29, 2015

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    Harley went out first. He claimed biased dice that produced more 6/1's then normal. Casinos brought them in for special occasions, when big right bettors were involved. Proof was asked for, none was really given. Things went back and forth and the temperature of the conversations rose. Eventually led to name calling and expulsions. Both SuperRick and Irish Setter went after MP, but only Rick was silenced. MP ignored it all. He retracted his 28 SRR claim, several years ago, but some people cannot let it go.
     
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  9. Dave G Ct, Aug 29, 2015

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    Are there casinos close to you?
     
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  10. DeMango, Aug 29, 2015

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    Nope, nearest non boat craps is Biloxi. I will see you there the day after the Blood Moon (September 14)
     
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  11. DeMango, Aug 29, 2015

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    KJoe; You can never learn too much.
     
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  12. KokomoJoe4, Aug 29, 2015

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    Will not argue with that sort of logic, because it is absolutely true.

    Rather than get on to web sites, which can be both interesting and humorous at times, I'm hoping to get together with some members here to give things a whirl, when their or my travels create the possibility.

    It's only been two or three so far, although can't blame me for the cold reception recently in Vegas.

    Even though I'm likely not in the market for the Strategy, Obie and SS's presentation of their product is done well enough to make me want to see it in action, and until recently here, they were always talking about their group get together's.

    Maybe can bump into SR in Vegas, as we are planning on another trip next spring. Ran into two guys at the Rivers over the past couple of years who talk to Rick and have good things to say about him, although one of the two has disappeared, and from what I hear from a supplier who also knows him, has died.

    I'll give Rick a call when next heading into his neck of the woods. He was kind enough to send me his phone # a while back, but have yet to give him a call.
     
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  13. Pressit, Aug 29, 2015

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    You present some good questions.

    The number of schools that teach DI probably number less than 10. Of those 10 schools most teach the on-axis method. The on-axis (PARR) toss is often the most often seen in casinos but not because of the schools, but because almost every book that discusses toss has pictures illustrating the PARR toss.

    I can not recall ever seeing a book where the off-axis toss is illustrated.

    There is no guarantee that you'll be proficient because you took a DI class. But isn't this also true of any specialized training. There is something like 25,000 plus college seniors football players, of that only 3,500 become eligible for the draft, of that figure only 7% or less are ever drafted. Remember these men have been playing football in one form or another since they were @8 years old. Some will make the cut, others watch their dreams fall away. Although I'm not sure we're you came up with 3%, that sounds about right for the number proficient DIs. Not all DI schools are created equally, just ask SR or Harley. And this fact enforces your statement why casinos don't fear DI, they are small in number to matterj.

    No one wins all the time, and I'm not sure where you heard that, but that is certainly not true. If craps is a game of negative expectations, it only makes sense poor playing will only add to those negative results. So why turn a blind eye to something that give you an edge?

    Sliding the dice is cheating, we don't need to cheat. The casinos are well aware of DI, their delema, if there is one, is not being able to detect a DI. So how can you give a player a hard time if they are doing everything correctly. Winning is not a violation of casino protocol. There are a number of dice set that can be viewed anywhere on the Internet. The hard way set being the most common used in casinos. But their are other sets most players do not know they exist. Truth of the matter is when the stick passes you the dice, more times than not they are already in a good set, or at most a 1/4 turn of one die. Linaway has an excellant program on dice setting, and dice properties.

    I think It would be safe to say most players stay at a table for 2 hours or less. In my opinion this is to short of a period of time for the math to play out correctly.

    SR has this saying that some players use the casinos as their personal ATM machine, but the casinos have been milking the players forever. Turnaround is fair play, and unless you play in a place that sweats the money, I seriously doubt that any DI will be barred because they are winning, or rolling more of one number than others.

    It will be interesting to read what OAP has to say should he hook up with the DI in LV.
     
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  14. Pressit, Aug 29, 2015

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    But the way you can tell it's a sea story, is how the story starts out. "This ain't no bullshit." Did I read you were a Navy pilot? What did you fly, were you in Nam, carrier pilot?
     
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  15. Onautopilot, Aug 29, 2015

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    I was not a navy pilot, I am a private pilot. I flew aircrew in the navy, the old A-3D, jokingly stands for (All three dead). We were the navy's largest carrier based plane, nic-named "The Heavy". We were the Nuke delivery aircraft for the navy. I had more than my share of cats and traps, in good weather, bad weather, and terrible weather, and more than thankful I'm still here today. That was during the Nam time, but we never flew over country, we had tanker capabilities also, and would lay off the coast to give the fighter boys a drink to get 'em back home. Some great memories, and some not so great...left a few friends over there.
     
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  16. Dave G Ct, Aug 29, 2015

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    Thank you for your service Onautopilot!
     
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    "For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for those who don't believe, no proof is possible."
     
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  18. Pressit, Aug 30, 2015

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    1967 my ship, USS Sumner (DD692), out of Mayport, FL, received its orders to head for Vietnam Nam. One of our assignments of many was "plane guarding". This is where you'll have several small ships follow behind the aircraft carrier in the event a plane misses the landing, or something goes wrong on take and the land in the drink. Can't say as if I ever saw your A-3D, but we would always see the F-4 Phantoms. During 1967 we operated withe the Forrestal, and Enterprse. A week or so after they reassigned us to a differs point in the South China Sea, the Forrestal had that tragic fire, lost a lot of sailors. The Enterprise for being very close to 95,000 tons was very fast. During plane guarding mission with her, we could only catch her when she was turning around heading back. We would be doing close to 30 knots plus and the Big E would turn the juice up on her reactors and we watch her fade off into the horizon.
     
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  19. Dave G Ct, Aug 30, 2015

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    Thank you too for your service
     
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    No problem. My first enlistment was like McHale's Navy, the next and last enlistment was like The Caine Mutiny
     
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