To nip this nonsense in the buttocks....

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  1. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    I was not aware that you were bovine, not that there is anything wrong with that. :cool: And by the way, cow bells don't go "ding", they go "clang".
     
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  2. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    I'm being perfectly consistent. I really don't KNOW how random his throws are. I could speculate, but then I'd be too much like, YOU. :eek: :) No way man. :cool:
     
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  3. Ninetyfouracross, Jun 13, 2018

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    But yet the other day you were calling me out on it, in dire need of proof because of it being totally impossible by any human being on the planet

    Sounds like you're contradicting yourself man
     
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  4. TDVegas, Jun 13, 2018

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    Yeah...this ^^

    He’s shopping from both sides of the aisle. That ain’t flying.
     
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  5. tabletop123, Jun 13, 2018

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    Excellent Post Midnight.
     
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  6. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    Ah, "by any human being" yes. :)
     
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  7. twodicebilly, Jun 13, 2018

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    Your exactly correct...why in the hell would anyone that has never taken a craps class and never will take a craps class piss and moan about the class or anyone that took it????

    I find that mind boggling.

    I have taken a number of classes and you always learn something.
    We have some of the best fisherman around that from time to time still
    hire a guide in areas they know a lot about because they feel they can always learn something, each person has a little different take on how to fish just as they do how to play craps.
    ..I play a good amount of craps and I don't bet the hardways. I don't use a GTC type shot much where you have a hard ways set and also if you understand the data from Linaway, every time your dice end up in a hardway set (2,3,4,5 on each die) you had 4 ways to make a 7

    tdb
     
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  8. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    You have never heard me say that I can, in any way, influence the outcome of a dice throw, never. I have never even attempted it. To me, it seems impossible, but it's possible, that I could be wrong. I don't actually KNOW, what anybody else can do, I only know what some of their claims are. It is quite easy to make claims. Nothing will ever be "proven", but the right evidence, could lead to the conclusion of plausibility. I have never seen such evidence, as it relates to MY standards. This is another problem, there is no definition of adequate evidence, and so, no hope of a definitive conclusion. Same old back and forth bullshit. "DI" is not my claim, and never has been. "That ain't flyin" F.U. TDVEGAS. Fly THIS. :cool:
     
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  9. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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    Yes , gold is often found where you find pyrite and quartz
    ALL THEM BUGGERS GLITTER
    conditioned response ????
     
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  10. James Hall, Jun 13, 2018

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    One does not have to choose one or the other
    With my strategies both are possible together and at the same time
    These things ARE NOT POSSIBLE with the way you play
    having one to three bets working at any given time is a recipe
    for disaster
    The problem with the way you and others bet
    is you never have enough on the table at anytime to do any good
    TDVegas has FINALLY DONE IT
    He is now engaged in an effort to recruit followers to his opinions
    He is saying come be with us and be against James LOL
     
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  11. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    What I called you out on, was the weakness of the evidence that you presented. "I changed my set, and had a twenty something throw". Your throw may have been longer, or shorter if you had not changed, there is no way to know, so this is "weak" as evidence goes. :cool: Do you see it differently? :)
     
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  12. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    James presents no evidence, and therefore, there is nothing to refute. If a guy presents evidence of "DI" than I can examine it and say , well maybe, or maybe this other thing, or not evidence of anything. James only claim, was if you hit the second parlay, you'll be holdingh $5000, and, you would. What's to refute? He also says, you should be on every trend, from start to finish, to maximize your profit, what's to refute? :cool:
     
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  13. Ninetyfouracross, Jun 13, 2018

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    Once again "credible evidence". Now what would you say if one of us here took up on td's challenge and passed? Mind you that it would have to be someone with a real table, so that would not include me or Tabletop unless he has someone by him pumping encouragement to remind him for a day that it's possible once again lol.


    Would you give credit to the winner or still be blind to that credible evidence which now would be valid evidence, even though you "von duck" has never attempted to try it, but yet is in dire need of evidence.
     
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  14. Ninetyfouracross, Jun 13, 2018

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    Because they are too lazy to try it and are being judgmental about it, which is ok I'm not trying to change anybodys mind. But when they start saying outrageous claims about scamming and comparing it to sex traffickers, I will explain to them that the two is no where near as the same thing.


    Apparently testimonials don't count here only luck and chance, for that being the reason of a successful win, and gaining any knowledge on the dice is all in our heads. Even though they refuse to watch videos on it with guys shooting for more than 20 minutes because they do retakes. Compared to a guy who 7 outs on his third toss. They expect too much out of DI, what they don't understand is that we're always looking to be perfect in our toss, which we know is not what always happens. But they expect it to be everytime when they say "we should be walking out of the casinos with barrels full of money".

    Where can you find his data? Do you have that landing zone detector?
     
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  15. von duck, Jun 13, 2018

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    I'm not sure what the challenge is, or if it's a fair test to reveal "DI".
    I've thrown darts against what were some of the best players in the world, at the time. A thrown dart, travels about 6 feet from where it leaves your hand to the board. The "triple" area of a number on the board, is about 1/2 in. vertical, and about 1in. horizontal. The very best players in the world, are able to hit a triple, only with about 1dart in 3, and this is far far easier than what would be the dynamics involved with "DI". Another problem I have with the "DIs" is, that quite often, their betting strategy, does not seem to be properly targeted, to take advantage of this skill, I believe the whole "DI" thing, is some sort of psychological dependency. I see commonality in the psych, of those that claim "DI", that is unrelated to "DI", itself. I find the whole thing quite intriguing, from that standpoint. I'm not sure what it would take, to prove it. Say a guy was claiming to be "random" would he be able to prove it, I don't know, it would be tough. :cool:
     
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  16. NokTang, Jun 13, 2018

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    I politely asked James if he was selling/offering his "instruction" on dice tossing for money. Almost as expected, ensuing personal attacks and off topic correlations were introduced. We still don't have a direct answer to a direct question, answered without all the hyperbole and distractions... I said myself human trafficking was not an analogy, only that scams were sometimes built up with distractions and wayward excuses much like many of the human trafficking antics and denials are... "she knew"..."she agreed"...all of it sick to the core. A straight answer will suffice as to the acceptance of money for "dice influence" instruction. Thanks.
     
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  17. TDVegas, Jun 13, 2018

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    If a DI believes...that is ALL that is required...for himself. If a DI “requires” or “needs” or would like belief from all others...on an open forum where the membership runs the gamut from believers to non believers and all in between—-you’re probably SOL.

    There likely is no proof one way or the other. Circumstantial at best....and that’s on the no side.

    The bohunk was not a proof challenge...but simply a go do challenge. Success certainly gives you some street cred. I would point to it if a non believer questioned me. That of course assumes that I beat the challenge.
     
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  18. TDVegas, Jun 13, 2018

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    I believe the short answer is yes. He was involved in some school called “square to square” where lessons were given. He may have done some free seminars with a group of people but my understanding is that was likely done to recruit “one on one” training...for a fee.

    There is a video out there of him talking up great wins, skilled play during a seminar in the back of a bar...but this was simply all talk. Didn’t see any instruction on DI. If you wanted to go to the next step after hearing all the great stories of wins? (one on one lessons)...bring your checkbook.

    He can confirm or deny.
     
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  19. tabletop123, Jun 13, 2018

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    Well, TableTop does have a table, & there's nothing that YOU,or anyone else can say that would sway my opinion. Most of you guys just graduated from Dice Influencing Kindergarten, & have little or no experience to make ANY claims whatsoever!!!

    You guys have a good roll or two, & start with the Chest thumping. All of you wannabe's have jobs/hustles, & it AINT Tossing dice.

    Fortunately, you caught me on a GOOD day, so I'll politely tell you to kiss the sagging part of my Ass, & furthermore if you REALLY were influencing the dice.....it wouldn't matter what TableTop's or anyone else's opinion towards Dice Influencing was/is.
    You'd simply be in a Casino...any Casino plying your trade, & NOT on a friggin forum PUSHING Dice Influencing down people's throat that don't give a Rat's Ass about how much IMAGINARY $$$$ that you, & others purport to be extracting from the Casinos.

    Now.....Smoke THAT in your pipe!
     
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  20. TDVegas, Jun 13, 2018

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    See what? I’ve seen MANY chunkers have long rolls. I’ve seen mechanical tossers have long rolls. I’ve seen chunkers win. I’ve seen mechanical tossers win.

    See “it”....?

    See what?

    The parameters have to be more than “he had a long roll before a 7”.

    You would have to set up a test of sorts about derandomizing outcomes. The length of that test could prove to virtually be impossible.
     
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